Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:30:21 -0500
Well, $1700 later and the ole Johnson is ready for another 40 years! A few of the things just completed:
- pulled engine, cleaned engine, cleaned bilge, inspected all -- all okay!
- cleaned oil sludge from pan, installed oil drain hose (drians out boat plug -- no more pumping out dip stick!)
- Part installed is Jabsco "Oil Drain Hose and Fitting," part # 6-180800000
- installed fuel filter/water separator (now I can remove that glass bowl/filter)
- Johnson part # 502905 mounted in lower front of engine compartment (see photos)
- routed fuel pump diaphram vent to carb (so now it won't go boom if the fuel pump fails again)
- Tapped carb at ~8:00 position for fitting (see photo)
- replaced all exhaust & cooling hoses
- changed all lubes, oil, filters, etc.
A new battery is all I need to get rolling in the spring. A few pics of the handy work are attached, if they make it through the server (if not, Phil, can you please explain (again) how to post). I think my next project will be to replace the simulated wood grain with an oak veneer to match the interior work I did a few years ago. Probably need to pull the fuel tank and clean it out too.
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all!
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Perakes
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Engine parts help
Hi, Lee. I will be happy to do that! I went up to see the work first hand over the w/e, but didn't think to take pictures. The oil drain hose he's installing was a kit, I think by a company called Jesco? He said its a standard part and he's installed a lot of them over the years. It basically replaces the oil pan drain plug the routes out the boat drain plug hole like on newer boats. I'll get some pics and confirm the name of the kit and the manufacturer when I go back up next weekend to drop off more parts.
He hadn't routed the line for the fuel pump yet, but we did discuss it. The plan is to first see if we can find a suitable land to bore and tap in the main body of the carb. It doesn't have many suitable flat surfaces so barring that, we'll dump it into the flame arrestor.
At this point I've found all the parts I need except for the pump-to-block coolant hose. Michigan Marine Gear said to bring it in and they'd try to match it to one of their bulk hoses, but I've not found any NOS or other parts out there. A interesting follow-up point on the Kaiser-Jeep link -- rather surprisingly, the BRP website says to get the starter from Kaiser-Jeep. While we now know not to use components that aren't marine rated, it doesn't seem to have been a concern in 1967.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: lib1@...
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Engine parts help
Hi Andy,
Glad you had success finding your parts. When you get a chance how about shawing some pics or a sketch of how you implemented your oil drain hose and also your fuel pump overflow hose.
I checked my fuel pump this fall and it has a overflow vent which has a little black plastic cap over it. I'm not sure when, but sometime in the 70-s or 80's the marine engine carbs started coming with fuel pump vent ports so a line could route fuel and vapors back into the carb. I'd be interested in how you routed your line? Does it connect to the flame arrestor?
The 67-ish time period was a strange time for OMC-Buick relations, as GM was indeed in the process of selling the rights and tooling to Kaiser-Jeep for the 225 V6 (hence the OMC-part manual reference to Kaiser-Jeep Dealers). Buick also then phased out the identical bore and stroke 300 V8 (which OMC used in the 66-67 19-footers). In 1967-68 the Buick small block V8 became the 340 (which would make a very nice smooth torquey boat motor), but OMC started the changeover to the small-block Chevy which now dominates the V6 and V8 sterndrive marine market with MerCrusier and Volvo being the primary players.
Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Perakes
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Engine parts help
Well that was a huge help, Mike -- thanks! I had forgotten BRP had that look-up and of course had lost the link when my hard drive crashed last summer. I found the part # and immediately found a part at www.oldbuickparts.com for $14.75. As I said, I've generally had pretty good luck just searching by the OMC part # and here is another example. Its interesting the HU-16C is called out as a 1968 when the boat is a 1967 and we bought it in the summer of '67. I know it is common for mixed years like that, but it seems odd the '68 engine would already be out and in a boat in early '67. Its also interesting the BRP website says the oil pan gasket (#1358356) I need is "available at local Kaiser-Jeep dealers." I'll try the local Jeep and Buick dealers to see if I can find one tomorrow, then run it up to the mechanic Saturday morning. Btw, I found the exhaust hoses (#312771) earlier today; they were in stock at the local "Michigan Marine Gear" (who happend to also have my fuel pump in stock last summer) and priced at $43.60 ea. Thanks again for the tip!
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Cain
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Engine parts help
Hey Andy!
Maybe you can find the info on the BRP website. The HU-16C is listed under 'sterndrive', '1968', '155'. If the link below doesn't work, go to the BRP website and look under 'Parts'.
Happy Holidays!
Mike
1968 Chris Craft Corsair
Salem, Oregon
http://12.2.215.22/pub/default.asp?SessionId=a907dfa27c9d4bf6acf16fd88553104e&Lang=EN
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Perakes
Sent: Dec 5, 2007 6:57 PM
To: omc-boats@...
Subject: [OMC-Boats] Engine parts help
The snow is flying in MI/Canada, and I had my mechanic pull the engine from my 1967 Reveler to give it a little TLC, clean the oil pan, add an oil drain hose, and route a drain line from the fuel pump bleed to the carb so it won't go boom in case it should ever fail again. The shop is near our summer home in SW Ontario while I'm in Detroit and the mechanic is having trouble finding some parts he thinks need replacing (oil pan gasket, exhaust hoses, and coolant hoses) and asked me to look around here. Unfortunately I forgot to ask him for the part numbers and I forgot all of my manuals at the cottage. Any chance anyone might have their shop manual handy and not mind looking up these part #s for me? I wanted to do some shopping on the internet tonight as I've had reasonably good luck finding parts this way and obviously I can't call for the p/#s since the shop is already closed. The engine model # is HU-16C; if anyone happens to be out there and doesn't mind looking up the info, I'd much appreciate it. Btw, while he hasn't checked compression yet, he said the rods and caps looked like new. This is the first time any major maintenance like this has been done so these things were really build for the long haul! At this point I'm planning to keep it for at least a few more years (MI is pretty much in a 1-state recession right now and I can't help but draw parallels between my employer, Ford Motor Co, and the "other" Ford family business, the Detroit Lions.), but I can't help looking at the new Four Winns and Stingrays. Has anyone taken a close look at any of the new boats lately and predicted their longevity vs. our J&Es? Is there anything out there in this class that's built nearly as well? Happy off-season maintenance to all!
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