Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt not working on 1967 Sportsman 120

i'm sure it's nothing this simple, but i used to have a truck that
would click on occasion when i tried to start it. All I had to do
was go to the battery and brush off a little accumulated corrosion and
the clicking went bye bye and it started right up.

On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Nexi wrote:

> I want to pull just the motor out. I looked at the connections from
> the crimp straight into the motor and one of the sides is heavily
> rusted and corroded. I'm wondering if perhaps the wires corroded
> together inside the motor?
>
>
> From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
> To: omc-boats@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:13:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt not working on 1967 Sportsman 120
>
>
> Nexi,
>
> If you have not opened that gear assembly up DON'T.... yet, you are
> going to want to get a seal kit with gaskets, o-rings and such to
> put it back together properly. That little saucer looking thing that
> the tilt gear is on is your tilt clutch/worm gear assembly, a cool
> little feature I'm glad OMC put in (more on that in another e-mail
> later)
>
> You have an electrical problem you need to fix before you open that
> can of worms....get it? worm gear...:-) sorry bad pun.
>
> Anyway, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you have a bad tilt
> motor...why? glad you asked.....you said that you get 12VDC at
> either solenoid when you flip the switch in either direction. The
> tilt motor is supposed to turn one direction for up and the other
> for down. So the electrical current when the switch is up flows
> through the windings of the motor in one direction and when the
> switch is in the down, the electrical current flows the opposite
> direction. In order to get 12DVC in both Solenoids in either up or
> down you must have a "dead short" between the blue and green wire.
> Most LIKELY that is the windings of the tilt motor itself. My
> suggestion would be to replace that before you open up anything
> else.....It's a little bit of a pain with the hammer gears and such
> but look like you will have the luxury of a little room to work so
> should't be that bad
>
> I would highly suggest you invest in a solec manual for stringer
> outdrives or at least spend some time on Lee's site, you'll be
> amazed at the stuff you'll learn by reading through there even if it
> doesn't seem immedately relevant to your 120. he does a great job of
> telling the history and giving a good understanding of how these
> things actually work. When I first started messing with my sportsman
> Lee's site and ultimate.com/omc-boats (sorta the omc boats version
> of google)
>
> Lee, do you have that troubleshooting guide posted somewhere Nexi
> could grab it? You did an awsome job explaining all of this tilt
> stuff.
>
> Cheers,
> B.C.
>
> On Aug 10, 2009, Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...> wrote:
>
> Just checked both.
> Blue w/ white stripe - 12VDC when I press tilt up AND down
> Green w/ white stripe - 12VDC when I press tilt up AND down
> Both of those wires go to a big bolt on the side of the solenoid. I
> tested the big bolts on the opposite side of each solenoid and those
> both have constant 12VDC.
> I did follow the 'soda can' and looked on the outside of the transom
> and see a piece with a gear that seems to do the tilting. I'm going
> to open that up tomorrow and see if perhaps it's gunked up. Will
> take a pic after I open it and post.
>
> From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
> To: omc-boats@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 1:59:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt not working on 1967 Sportsman 120
>
> OK the pics help a ton!!! yep the previous owner spliced in some red
> wire to your tilt motor.....you can see the splice where it goes
> from blue with a stripe to red wire , the other is green with a
> yellow splice to red wire....the green should get 12 VDC when you
> press the tilt button down, the blue should get 12 VDC when you
> press the switch up...
>
>
> The good news for you is that it all looks pretty easy to get to
> unlike those of us with the 155's. check those connections and
> voltage on the blue or green on the solenoids if that's all
> there.... you have a new battery, so I would suspect the tilt motor
> itself.
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
> B.C.
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2009, Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...> wrote:
>
> Both reds are going straight to the solenoid. They're not stock red
> wires. After further review I can see that a previous owner put them
> in. Pics attached.
>
>
> http://img200.imageshack.us/i/mot00003.jpg/
>
> http://img194.imageshack.us/i/mot00001.jpg/
>
> http://img513.imageshack.us/i/mot00002.jpg/
>
>
>
> From: jd <jdood@...>
> To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's <omc-boats@...
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:59:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt not working on 1967 Sportsman 120
>
> the big cylinder is the starter. One red is definitely power to the
> tilt motor (via the starter post) The other red wire is probably
> coming from the battery. On my '64 Buick 155, there's a blue and
> white for up and green and white for down. (confirm up vs down -
> i'm going from memory here). Not sure what the green and yellow
> wires are. Plain green sounds like one of the shift wires.
> Yellow doesn't sound familiar - maybe added later by someone...
>
> Lee has some wiring diagrams posted - wiring diagrams look
> intimidating at first, but can become your friend after studying
> them for 2 weeks straight:
>
> http://hhscott.com/evinrude/wiring.htm
>
>
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> On Aug 10, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Nexi wrote:
>
> > Found them when my second set of hands got here. Had them hit the
> switch so I could track the solenoids down. They are at the top rear
> mounted to the engine block. I'm thinking that I can check the motor
> itself by running power straight to it. Only problem is figuring out
> what wires are what. I see 2 red wires going to something cylinder
> in shape on the bottom of the engine compartment just next to the
> drive. Then I see a green and a yellow wire going out through the
> drive section and don't know where they end.
> >
> > From: Andy Perakes <aperakes@...>
> > To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's <omc-boats@...
> >
> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:57:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt not working on 1967 Sportsman 120
> >
> > I'm not sure about the 120, but on my 155, the solenoids are on
> the top rear of the engine compartment. I can't remember if they
> mount to the stern drive housing or the engine block, but there's
> not a lot of real estate and they should be easy to find either way
> if they're in the same place. There are 2 solenoids, one to the
> left and one to the right, (up and down I think, but again can't
> remember for sure as that repair was a good 20 years ago).
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Nexi
> > To: omc-boats@...
> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:05 PM
> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] Tilt not working on 1967 Sportsman 120
> >
> > I went ahead and bought a battery, Marine - Starting, and started
> testing things out on the dash. Blower checks out ok but the tilt
> isn't working. I can hear a clicking in the rear when I flip the
> switch, but the engine isn't tilting. From researching a bit it
> seems the tilt is controlled by a solenoid. How do I track down the
> problem? Is it possible that the solenoid is bad even though it is
> clicking? Bad contacts perhaps?
> >
> > Right now I'm waiting for a second set of hands so I can figure
> out where the solenoid is located.
> >
> >
> >
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Received on Wednesday, 12 August 2009