Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #134 from Thomas Klauber on 2004-03-11 (OMC-Boats Mailing List Archive)

From: Thomas Klauber <tklauber@...>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:06:50 -0500

My 1969 Rogue has foam under deck - it took awhile to replace it but it can
be done with due care and the results are like original. Just watch what you
are doing and take measurements and photos and drawings so you can reproduce
what you remove. It had rotten woodwork in the forward bilge and there
probably had been standing water in the boat off and on for 20 years and the
foam was only mildly waterlogged - maybe adding an extra 150 pounds. I'm not
sure it really needed replacing. The foam is a two part system and is closed
cell so it retards waterlogging. It is kinda fun to work with. I would not
pay it much attention unless your boat had been sunk or land sunk for an
extended length of time. I did not notice any change in handling after the
replacement. You could drill some test holes with a Forstner bit ( don't go
thru the hull! ) in some concealed areas.The foam cuts like butter. The
water tended to collect between the bottom fiberglass and the lower surface
of foam. The waterlogging would only penetrate several inches into the
foam.Once you remove the wooden deck you're committed. Tom Klauber-----
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> omc-boats-digest Thursday, March 11 2004 Volume 01 : Number
134
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> RE: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
> Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
> RE: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
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> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:49:51 -0500
> From: Ian Torrey <itorrey@...>
> Subject: RE: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded with advice and moral support:) With
Spring
> around the corner I think I might work on mechanical for this year so that
I
> can get it into the water and try it out. That way I can assess how far I
> want, or need to, go in the restoration process.
>
> Can anyone tell me, should there be any sort of floatation foam or other
> material in the bottom of the hull? I haven't removed any floorboards to
> find out, but I'm wondering if this might be something I need to keep in
> mind when assessing the boat's condition. Might I need to replace
> waterlogged material in here, or is it just air space?
>
> Thanks,
> Ian
>
>
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> From: Jesse Keaton [mailto:J.Keaton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:26 PM
> To: omc-boats-digest@...
> Subject: Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
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>
> Hey Ian...
> I bought a 1967 Evinrude Sportsman last year and restoring it and it
> wasnt
> in too bad shape itself,,but has some issues...First,,it musta been
sitting
> in
> the water for along time cause the gelcoat was cracked really bad below
the
> water line,,well more like shattered...It took me all last year just to
get
> the
> gelcoat glazed back over now I'm shooting epoxy paint over her...It's a
> long,,I
> mean long process to get one back to where you want it to be
> original..Sounds
> like your isnt in bad shape at all...With the dings,,,use Marine-Tex to
fill
> in,,that stuff is like iron,,and believe me with other people I talked to
it
> will be stronger than the original fiberglass so no worrys about it coming
> off
> once you put it on....The cracks in the floor board,,that will be a easy
> fix,,but the transom might take time..Just be patience,,,and if you enjoy
> your
> boat as it seems like you do you will wanna do things right and it will be
a
> beauty for years to come....I'll have mine done by summer this year and
will
> post pics. on the sight....Oh,,If you decide to shoot paint,,please
rememebr
> to
> wear a resporator!!! Some paints you have to have a alot of protection
cause
> it
> will poison you and it's bad stuff!!!!Have fun restoring your boat,,and
good
> luck!!!! Hope I can help you with any questions ....
>
> omc-boats-digest wrote:
>
> > omc-boats-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 01 : Number
> 131
> >
> > New "Sweet 16" Owner
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:24:07 -0500
> > From: Ian Torrey (QNX) <itorrey@...>
> > Subject: New "Sweet 16" Owner
> >
> > Last fall, while looking for a distributor cap for the 1967 Starflite
> > 100-S on my father-in-law's boat, I ran across an old Evinrude boat
> > with a 1966 (I think) 100hp Johnson. I didn't know anything about the
> > boat, except that it looked really cool and had the part I needed. So,
> > I came home with my distributor cap - as well as the whole boat and
> > motor that was wrapped around it.
> >
> > I was curious, so I thought I'd do some research on the boat, and
> > that's when I was introduced to this site. Thanks for the great photos
> > and information. They made me long for my days growing up around the
> > Kawartha and Muskoka regions of Ontario. It would seem I'm now the
> > owner of what I believe to be a 1964 Sweet 16 (although couldn't find
> > the registration plate).
> >
> > I originally just wanted the motor parts, but now I don't think I can
> > deny the calling to restore the old boat. I'm fairly mechanically
> > inclined, but I don't know much about boats in general. The transom
> > appears weak, and I see a couple of cracks in the floorboards. The hull
> > doesn't look too bad, aside from a few shabbily repaired dings in the
> > centre "v". Can anyone suggest what I should be looking for, and what I
> > might be in for if I take on this project? I'd like to do a sanity
> > check before I get myself in over my head.
> >
> > Also, identifying the exact year is proving a little difficult. It
> > appears to be grey-blue in colour, with a coat of blue paint slapped
> > over top. Am I looking in the wrong places for the registration tag?
> > Are there any distinguishing marks that might help me to identify her
> > exact vintage?
> >
> > Any guidance as I start down this path would be appreciated.
> >
> > regards,
> > Ian Torrey
> > Ottawa, ON Canada
> >
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> >
> > End of omc-boats-digest V1 #131
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:20:14 EST
> From: Mstvsnd@...
> Subject: Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
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> There is definitely foam blown in between the floor and outer hull. The
> Evinrude literature of the time makes a point of talking about it and
claiming
> that the boats were designed to keep six adults and gear afloat even if
the hull
> is penetrated.
>
> And the foam can evidently get waterlogged. There was a series of
pictures
> posted to the list last year from a new member who documented his
restoration
> process, including ugly photos of the water damaged and crumbled foam he
had to
> contend with. I don't remember who it was, but presumably he's still
getting
> these emails and perhaps will wade in and relate his experiences and maybe
> re-post the pix.
>
> But this isn't automatically a problem. I've had my '64 Sweet 16 for
going
> on seven years now and the floor and hull are intact and uncompromised and
I
> have no reason to believe the foam has been damaged. No reason to believe
it
> hasn't been either, but the boat performs well, and if the foam is in
fact
> water damaged, I can live with it.
>
> Good luck with yours. They're nice boats, very roomy and comfortable as
long
> as the water doesn't get too rough, and attract attention.
>
> Mike Stevesand
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> o keep six adults and gear afloat even if the hull is penetrated. 
> 
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resto=
> ration process, including ugly photos of the water damaged and crumbled
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> 
> Good luck with yours.  They're nice boats, very roomy and comfortable
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> s long as the water doesn't get too rough, and attract attention. 
> 
> Mike Stevesand 
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> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:10:37 -0500
> From: Ian Torrey <itorrey@...>
> Subject: RE: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
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> Thanks Mike. I guess I'll try putting it in the water first and see how it
> performs. It's been in "dry dock" for a long time now, so at least
hopefully
> it will be dried out if there was a problem (but I'm going to guess that
> once it's started to accept water it probably will continue if it gets wet
> again). Sounds like it could be a messy job, though, so I'll hope it
> performs alright as-is.
>
> Ian
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Mstvsnd@... [mailto:Mstvsnd@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:20 PM
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
>
>
> There is definitely foam blown in between the floor and outer hull. The
> Evinrude literature of the time makes a point of talking about it and
> claiming that the boats were designed to keep six adults and gear afloat
> even if the hull is penetrated.
>
> And the foam can evidently get waterlogged. There was a series of
pictures
> posted to the list last year from a new member who documented his
> restoration process, including ugly photos of the water damaged and
crumbled
> foam he had to contend with. I don't remember who it was, but presumably
> he's still getting these emails and perhaps will wade in and relate his
> experiences and maybe re-post the pix.
>
> But this isn't automatically a problem. I've had my '64 Sweet 16 for
going
> on seven years now and the floor and hull are intact and uncompromised and
I
> have no reason to believe the foam has been damaged. No reason to believe
> it hasn't been either, but the boat performs well, and if the foam is in
> fact water damaged, I can live with it.
>
> Good luck with yours. They're nice boats, very roomy and comfortable as
> long as the water doesn't get too rough, and attract attention.
>
> Mike Stevesand
>
>
>
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> <DIV>Thanks
> Mike. I guess I'll try putting it in the water first and see how it
performs.
> It's been in "dry dock" for a long time now, so at least hopefully it will
be
> dried out if there was a problem (but I'm going to guess that once it's
started
> to accept water it probably will continue if it gets wet again). Sounds
like it
> could be a messy job, though, so I'll hope it performs alright
> as-is.</DIV>
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> <DIV> size=2>Ian</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left> size=2>-----Original Message----- From: Mstvsnd@...
> [mailto:Mstvsnd@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:20
> PM To: omc-boats@... Subject: Re:
> omc-boats-digest V1 #131 </DIV><FONT
face=arial,helvetica> lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">There is
definitely
> foam blown in between the floor and outer hull.  The Evinrude
literature
> of the time makes a point of talking about it and claiming that the
boats were
> designed to keep six adults and gear afloat even if the hull is
> penetrated. And the foam can evidently get waterlogged. 
There was
> a series of pictures posted to the list last year from a new member who
> documented his restoration process, including ugly photos of the water
damaged
> and crumbled foam he had to contend with.  I don't remember who it
was,
> but presumably he's still getting these emails and perhaps will wade in
and
> relate his experiences and maybe re-post the pix. But this isn't
> automatically a problem.  I've had my '64 Sweet 16 for going on
seven
> years now and the floor and hull are intact and uncompromised and I have
no
> reason to believe the foam has been damaged.  No reason to believe
it
> hasn't  been either, but the boat performs well, and if the foam is
in
> fact water damaged, I can live with it. Good luck with
yours. 
> They're nice boats, very roomy and comfortable as long as the water
doesn't
> get too rough, and attract attention. Mike
> Stevesand </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:54:33 +0000
> From: bill.parkinson@...
> Subject: Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #131
>
> Great response Mike!
>
> FYI... I also have 1965 Sweet 16 and I do not think I have any damage to
the foam.. floor is very solid, etc.... There is allot of foam down
there.... you could probably chop the boat up into sveral pieces and it
would still float... which is a good thing...I do wonder however if there is
any water down there.... do you have any idea how much our boats should
weigh? I would think if there is allot of water down there the boat would be
much heavier.
>
> Thanks
>
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Received on Thursday, 11 March 2004