Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #162

Mike, I did the floor in my 19 foot 69 Evinrude Rogue. It is mostly a 2part
polyurethane foam (closed cell) under a plywood floor all covered with
fiberglass mat bonded at the edges with fiberglass edging. The foam is not
supposed to absorb water but water gets between the foam and the hull. The
water adds weight but there is very little under there to rot except the
stringers and other wood decking material. I would not worry so much about
the floor now but would make efforts to seal the hull first and minimize the
water getting in. Fiberglass is fairily easy to use - mix it up, pour it on
the mat, lay it down and let it harden and file/sand to your satisfaction.
You can always add more if you mess up. You'll learn as you go. Replacing
the foam is a challenge but can be done if you are willing to tackle it. I
would get the hull in decent shape and then work on getting power. You can
devide and conquer with your wife's help. You can get lots of stuff on
e-bay - maybe a V6 with stern drive. If you are still with it at that point
then go for the interior. Maybe add some aftermarket seats etc. I have
bought parts recently from Sea Way Marine,Inc. of Seattle, WA - call Dave
Losvar there at 206-937-7373. Stone and Son of Houston, TX has stern drive
parts but they are expensive. Good luck. Keep in touch! TK
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> omc-boats-digest Friday, June 11 2004 Volume 01 : Number
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> The infamous family project (free boat)
> Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
> RE: The infamous family project (free boat)
> Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
> Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
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>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:19:38 -0700
> From: Mike Meadway <mmeadway@...>
> Subject: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Hello all;
>
> I just acquired an Evinrude Sportsman 16 (not sure what year yet)
> minus the outdrive and the engine from a local marine parts house -- it
> was labeled "free boat" and sitting in their driveway. Naturally, I
> couldn't resist. Given the amount of oil in the engine area (quarts,
> mixed with water and significant engine parts into a brownish goo), it
> seems there was a bit of a mechanical problem which resulted in the
> junking of the boat. Fundamentally, it looks like a nice boat and after
> doing some reading about it, it seems ideal for a mid-sized family (I
> have four kids). This is now our summer (and probably winter) project;
> to repair and restore the boat so we can actually go have fun on it.
>
> That all being said, I'm looking for advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1) The original seats are gone; they were replaced by some metal frame
> seats that were apparently attached by screws driven through the deck,
> rather than using the original seat bolt holes (the bolts are still
> there, along with the sealing washers). I'm concerned about rot caused
> by water that got into the holes (inserting a screwdriver into one of
> the holes -- they're rather large -- produced a fountain). Does anyone
> know what the structure of the boat is under the main deck? It looks
> like two longitudinal stringers with two transverse stringers all
> covered in glass. There's little or no flexing of the deck, even when
> you jump on it, so I'm assuming that there's minimal rot underneath, if
any.
>
> 2) There are numerous small holes in the hull and there's a lot of wear
> on the keel(s). It looks like the boat got beached a lot, or wasn't
> properly trailered. Would epoxied glass be the best repair material, or
> should I use a resin of some sort? There are also some very ugly
> patches (chopped fiberglass mixed with resin applied with a trowel) on
> the left rear corner (topside and hull) where it appears the boat hit
> something. I've never repaired fiberglass, so any suggestions are
> welcome. In addition, raising the front of the boat results in dripping
> water from one of the holes in the lower part of the center hull. I'm
> wondering how much open space is in there...
>
> 3) Both side pockets were rotted; I've simply removed them as they
> appear to have no structural significance. Any thoughts?
>
> 4) Any suggestions on propulsion? Since I live in the Seattle area
> where there's all sorts of water (deep, shallow, rivers, ocean, etc.),
> I've considered a jet pump instead of a prop. I can pretty much start
> from scratch; there's nothing in the boat right now. Has anyone ever
> put a jet pump in one of these? It looks like it might be a tight fit;
> I would probably have to add some structure to the transom if I'm
> reading dimensions properly.
>
> 5) The gelcoat finish is pretty much gone on most of the fiberglass.
> I'm seriously considering multiple coats of high-gloss marine paint,
> since from everything I've heard doing new gelcoat is a real pain and
> requires equipment (sprayer) that I don't have.
>
> 6) Is there a source for the light masts? I'd like to use the originals
> if possible (they're kinda cool in a retro sort of way).
>
> 7) The original instrumentation is still on the dash; I've no idea if it
> still works (the boat hasn't been used for four years). Should I try to
> restore these, or buy modern guages? The original throttle is gone (the
> side pocket to which it attached was completely rotted out), but the
> steering wheel is still there -- with cable.
>
> Any and all suggestions are welcome!
>
> Mike M.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:54:05 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Phil Budne <phil>
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Has anyone who has done major work on their boat (replacing the deck
> and foam or the transom) done any photography of what the innards look
> like?
>
> I think I've seen photos (on the continuouswave site?) of someones
> restoration of a '15 whaler. I'd love to have some photos for the web
> site, since this sort of work seems to come up with fair frequency.
>
> My father got rid of our Sport '16 after he found water oozing from
> under the deck, so it's something that's touched my life as well, even
> tho I haven't touched an Evinrude boat in well over 20 years!
>
> phil
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 13:29:59 -0500
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> Subject: RE: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> I have a 1969 Sportsman. I would love to see some pictures of yours.
> Figuring out the year should be pretty easy as there were visual changes
> each model year.
>
> Gregory B. Fell
> The Fell Law Firm
> 3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> Dallas, Texas 75219
> 972-488-8177
> 214-219-4218 - fax
> gfell@...
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]On
> Behalf Of Mike Meadway
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:20 PM
> To: OMC Boats
> Subject: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Hello all;
>
> I just acquired an Evinrude Sportsman 16 (not sure what year yet)
> minus the outdrive and the engine from a local marine parts house -- it
> was labeled "free boat" and sitting in their driveway. Naturally, I
> couldn't resist. Given the amount of oil in the engine area (quarts,
> mixed with water and significant engine parts into a brownish goo), it
> seems there was a bit of a mechanical problem which resulted in the
> junking of the boat. Fundamentally, it looks like a nice boat and after
> doing some reading about it, it seems ideal for a mid-sized family (I
> have four kids). This is now our summer (and probably winter) project;
> to repair and restore the boat so we can actually go have fun on it.
>
> That all being said, I'm looking for advice on how to proceed:
>
> 1) The original seats are gone; they were replaced by some metal frame
> seats that were apparently attached by screws driven through the deck,
> rather than using the original seat bolt holes (the bolts are still
> there, along with the sealing washers). I'm concerned about rot caused
> by water that got into the holes (inserting a screwdriver into one of
> the holes -- they're rather large -- produced a fountain). Does anyone
> know what the structure of the boat is under the main deck? It looks
> like two longitudinal stringers with two transverse stringers all
> covered in glass. There's little or no flexing of the deck, even when
> you jump on it, so I'm assuming that there's minimal rot underneath, if
any.
>
> 2) There are numerous small holes in the hull and there's a lot of wear
> on the keel(s). It looks like the boat got beached a lot, or wasn't
> properly trailered. Would epoxied glass be the best repair material, or
> should I use a resin of some sort? There are also some very ugly
> patches (chopped fiberglass mixed with resin applied with a trowel) on
> the left rear corner (topside and hull) where it appears the boat hit
> something. I've never repaired fiberglass, so any suggestions are
> welcome. In addition, raising the front of the boat results in dripping
> water from one of the holes in the lower part of the center hull. I'm
> wondering how much open space is in there...
>
> 3) Both side pockets were rotted; I've simply removed them as they
> appear to have no structural significance. Any thoughts?
>
> 4) Any suggestions on propulsion? Since I live in the Seattle area
> where there's all sorts of water (deep, shallow, rivers, ocean, etc.),
> I've considered a jet pump instead of a prop. I can pretty much start
> from scratch; there's nothing in the boat right now. Has anyone ever
> put a jet pump in one of these? It looks like it might be a tight fit;
> I would probably have to add some structure to the transom if I'm
> reading dimensions properly.
>
> 5) The gelcoat finish is pretty much gone on most of the fiberglass.
> I'm seriously considering multiple coats of high-gloss marine paint,
> since from everything I've heard doing new gelcoat is a real pain and
> requires equipment (sprayer) that I don't have.
>
> 6) Is there a source for the light masts? I'd like to use the originals
> if possible (they're kinda cool in a retro sort of way).
>
> 7) The original instrumentation is still on the dash; I've no idea if it
> still works (the boat hasn't been used for four years). Should I try to
> restore these, or buy modern guages? The original throttle is gone (the
> side pocket to which it attached was completely rotted out), but the
> steering wheel is still there -- with cable.
>
> Any and all suggestions are welcome!
>
> Mike M.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:28:40 -0700
> From: Mike Meadway <mmeadway@...>
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Phil --
>
> From your description, I wonder if in fact there's foam under there
> that gets waterlogged; there was apparently a lot of foam in various
> places around the boat. I wonder also if one could simply suck the
> majority of the water out using a wet/dry vac applied to the holes, then
> allowing wicking action to finish things off over a period of time.
> Come to think of it, I suppose that you could cover the holes with some
> silica gel -- now very inexpensive since people started using it in
> catboxes.
>
> I'd love to see photos as well if anyone has them on the guts of the
> hull. I really don't like the idea of sawing into the deck, but there's
> two places that it may be necessary depending on what's underneath. I
> note that the holes for the replacement seats do not attach to the
> stringers and are not in the same location front-to-back as the
> originals. In addition, the originals actually have nuts embedded in
> the fiberglass into which machine screws go.
>
> Mike
>
> Phil Budne wrote:
>
> >Has anyone who has done major work on their boat (replacing the deck
> >and foam or the transom) done any photography of what the innards look
> >like?
> >
> >I think I've seen photos (on the continuouswave site?) of someones
> >restoration of a '15 whaler. I'd love to have some photos for the web
> >site, since this sort of work seems to come up with fair frequency.
> >
> >My father got rid of our Sport '16 after he found water oozing from
> >under the deck, so it's something that's touched my life as well, even
> >tho I haven't touched an Evinrude boat in well over 20 years!
> >
> >phil
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:18:19 -0700
> From: Mike Meadway <mmeadway@...>
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Gregory B. Fell wrote:
>
> >I have a 1969 Sportsman. I would love to see some pictures of yours.
> >Figuring out the year should be pretty easy as there were visual changes
> >each model year.
> >
> >Gregory B. Fell
> >The Fell Law Firm
> >3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> >Dallas, Texas 75219
> >972-488-8177
> >214-219-4218 - fax
> >gfell@...
> >
> >
> >
> Gergory --
>
> I'll see if I can get some pictures this weekend -- assuming the
> rain quits. Shall I send them directly to your email?
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:58:18 -0500
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> Subject: RE: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Sure - send it to my e-mail listed below. I look forward to seeing them.
>
> Gregory B. Fell
> The Fell Law Firm
> 3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> Dallas, Texas 75219
> 972-488-8177
> 214-219-4218 - fax
> gfell@...
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]On
> Behalf Of Mike Meadway
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:18 PM
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> Gregory B. Fell wrote:
>
> >I have a 1969 Sportsman. I would love to see some pictures of yours.
> >Figuring out the year should be pretty easy as there were visual changes
> >each model year.
> >
> >Gregory B. Fell
> >The Fell Law Firm
> >3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> >Dallas, Texas 75219
> >972-488-8177
> >214-219-4218 - fax
> >gfell@...
> >
> >
> >
> Gergory --
>
> I'll see if I can get some pictures this weekend -- assuming the
> rain quits. Shall I send them directly to your email?
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:07:53 -0600
> From: "lib1" <lib1@...>
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
>
> > Sure - send it to my e-mail listed below. I look forward to seeing
them.
> >
> > Gregory B. Fell
> > The Fell Law Firm
> > 3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> > Dallas, Texas 75219
> > 972-488-8177
> > 214-219-4218 - fax
> > gfell@...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-omc-boats@...
[mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Meadway
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:18 PM
> > To: omc-boats@...
> > Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
> >
> > Gregory B. Fell wrote:
> >
> > >I have a 1969 Sportsman. I would love to see some pictures of yours.
> > >Figuring out the year should be pretty easy as there were visual
changes
> > >each model year.
> > >
> > >Gregory B. Fell
> > >The Fell Law Firm
> > >3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> > >Dallas, Texas 75219
> > >972-488-8177
> > >214-219-4218 - fax
> > >gfell@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Gergory --
> >
> > I'll see if I can get some pictures this weekend -- assuming the
> > rain quits. Shall I send them directly to your email?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:28:44 -0600
> From: "lib1" <lib1@...>
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> 1) Re: Underfloor re-construction of OMC Boats
> (Yes, they all had polyurethane foam which was sealed-in place under
pressure,
> beneath the plywood floor. It not only serves as floatation,
> it also serves to improve structual integrity along with the stringers
>
> Be sure you not only checkout continuouswave.com (devoted to Boston
Whalers)
> but also check out
> Kelly Wood's excellent fiberglassics.com Lotsa help on the forum for
> fiberglass repair techniques of boats from the 50's 60's & 70's
>
> A sure indicator that you have underfloor water are soft spots in the
floor
> deck
> or transom areas. It's also valuable to get an empty boat's baseline
weight,
> but that can be a little difficult if you don't know your trailer weight.
> I have published (factory data) weights on the 64-66 Sweet 16 and
Sportsman
> hulls & motor combo's here:
> http://www.hhscott.com/evinrude/little_dude_trailer.htm
>
> 2) Determining your boat's exact model year is easy if you get the model
> number off the hull's ID plate.
>
> You can cross-reference your 1962 - 19070 Johnson, Evinrude or OMC boat's
> model year on my web page here (Some Canadian models may differ):
> http://www.hhscott.com/evinrude/all_omc_boats.htm
>
> The database is coming along, but I haven't identified all the various
colors.
> Please feel free to e-mail Phil or me with updates or corrections.
>
> Lee Shuster
> Salt Lake City
>
> PS -- Did I miss something? Why is this family project INFAMOUS?
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
>
> > Sure - send it to my e-mail listed below. I look forward to seeing
them.
> >
> > Gregory B. Fell
> > The Fell Law Firm
> > 3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> > Dallas, Texas 75219
> > 972-488-8177
> > 214-219-4218 - fax
> > gfell@...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-omc-boats@...
[mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Meadway
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:18 PM
> > To: omc-boats@...
> > Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
> >
> > Gregory B. Fell wrote:
> >
> > >I have a 1969 Sportsman. I would love to see some pictures of yours.
> > >Figuring out the year should be pretty easy as there were visual
changes
> > >each model year.
> > >
> > >Gregory B. Fell
> > >The Fell Law Firm
> > >3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> > >Dallas, Texas 75219
> > >972-488-8177
> > >214-219-4218 - fax
> > >gfell@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Gergory --
> >
> > I'll see if I can get some pictures this weekend -- assuming the
> > rain quits. Shall I send them directly to your email?
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:34:32 -0700
> From: Mike Meadway <mmeadway@...>
> Subject: Re: The infamous family project (free boat)
>
> lib1 wrote:
>
> >1) Re: Underfloor re-construction of OMC Boats
> >(Yes, they all had polyurethane foam which was sealed-in place under
pressure,
> >beneath the plywood floor. It not only serves as floatation,
> >it also serves to improve structual integrity along with the stringers
> >
> >
> >
> Lee --
>
> That explains water "oozing" in the previous message -- and it
> explains some of what I'm seeing (some wet spots along seams and around
> bolt heads). I'm glad it's foam though, and not spongy plywood that I'm
> feeling (from what I can see, the plywood looks okay). Do you know if
> there's a bilge area under the foam? I can't quite tell (too much cat
> litter and oil muck in the way), but I think there is an opening from
> the engine area into the front section. It doesn't look like the outer
> parts of the gull-wing have any drain openings at all -- I'm assuming
> they're full of foam.
>
> >Be sure you not only checkout continuouswave.com (devoted to Boston
Whalers)
> >but also check out
> >Kelly Wood's excellent fiberglassics.com Lotsa help on the forum for
> >fiberglass repair techniques of boats from the 50's 60's & 70's
> >
> >
> >
> I appreciate the pointers!
>
> >A sure indicator that you have underfloor water are soft spots in the
floor
> >deck
> >or transom areas. It's also valuable to get an empty boat's baseline
weight,
> >but that can be a little difficult if you don't know your trailer weight.
> >I have published (factory data) weights on the 64-66 Sweet 16 and
Sportsman
> >hulls & motor combo's here:
> >http://www.hhscott.com/evinrude/little_dude_trailer.htm
> >
> >
> >
> No soft spots that I can tell; the deck is actually very firm which is
> why I'm not too worried. I was concerned about wood rot in the
> stringers more than anything. At present, the boat is resting on hay
> bales and I don't have a trailer. However, since I'll be able to weigh
> the trailer separately once I do get one, these figures should help.
>
> >2) Determining your boat's exact model year is easy if you get the model
> >number off the hull's ID plate.
> >
> >
> >
> Okay...I think I remember seeing that on the inside front gunwale.
>
> >You can cross-reference your 1962 - 19070 Johnson, Evinrude or OMC boat's
> >model year on my web page here (Some Canadian models may differ):
> >http://www.hhscott.com/evinrude/all_omc_boats.htm
> >
> >
> >
> Cool -- nice list, BTW.
>
> >The database is coming along, but I haven't identified all the various
colors.
> >Please feel free to e-mail Phil or me with updates or corrections.
> >
> >
> >
> I'll send a copy of the pictures I take to both of you. Since I'll be
> doing a lot of work on the boat, I'll try to keep pictures coming as I
> get things done or as I make discoveries.
>
> Thanks for the info and suggestions! BTW, "infamous" refers to the
> number of projects I've started and left unfinished over the years,
> usually associated with picking up some non-functional piece of
> equipment with the hope that it will someday work. My bride of 15 years
> was actually rather positive about this one, since she's mechanically
> inclined and likes boating -- and thus believes that if I drop the ball,
> she can at least make sure everything gets done.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of omc-boats-digest V1 #162
> *******************************
>
>
Received on Friday, 11 June 2004