There is the issue with foaming first or filling the hole. There is a
density issue. Yes, free pouring will give the lightest fill but if you want
to go for strength and structure, filling the hole will give a much denser
foam. At least this is what I read somewhere. I went through the whole
measuring, calculating, high school geometry figuring and still used more.
You are going to use more filling the hole. I used 4 gallons of mix, 2 of
each. I poured some into the pontoons first before enclosing the floor and
along some of the narrow tracks in the hull. These being the most difficult
to fill. I set up 3 pours, one into each compartment along the stringers. I
thought that 2 cans was good for 8 cubic feet. The fun part is that you have
about 45 seconds to mix and pour before it starts to expand. And that
depends on room temperature. The warmer the room, the faster it starts. A
cold room and it does not expand as fast or as much. My experiments in a
cold room left an inactive dense foam. It is a good idea to test and have
someone with a watch calling out the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...] On
Behalf Of Glenn Halweg
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:29 AM
To: omc-boats@...
Subject: Re: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
Thanks for the info! That's the same place Tom Klauber bought his. How much
did you use for your boat? Was 9.5 cubic feet enough, that's the smallest
size they offer. Would almost seem like to much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Masters, Michael" <mmasters@...>
To: <omc-boats@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>I believe it was Fibre Glast in Ohio. Very quick service from them but I'm
> in Buffalo so not very far to ship.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]
> On
> Behalf Of Glenn Halweg
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:15 AM
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>
>
> Mike, where did you get the foam?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Masters, Michael" <mmasters@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:08 AM
> Subject: RE: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>
>
>>I went the other way on the re-foaming. I have a 1966 17' OMC Dual Deluxe.
>> The foam was saturated and wouldn't dry so I removed everything down to
>> the
>> hull. Then I built a new floor, resined the seams and edges, and drilled
>> holes to pour in 2 part foam. It filled the hull and raised the floor.
>> Very
>> solid and firm. Just wanted you to know that either method can work and
>> that
>> it can be very exciting working with 2 part foam.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Thomas Klauber
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:00 PM
>> To: omc-boats-digest@...
>> Subject: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>>
>> I guess I didn't proof the text well enough! You need to make sure you
>> don't
>> over foam the hull as you will have to sand a lot of foam to get the
>> floor
>> back to the right level so the sides will fit back into place. You will
>> become aware of this as you take things apart. I pulled the floor out and
>> saved as much as I could to use as a template to cut the new plywood.
>> Measure everything. Look at everything like seams and where the T nuts
>> are
>> placed - you need to measure their location so the seats will go back in
>> proper position or otherwise you can mount the seats with wood screws.
>> Don't
>> screw them through the bottom! There will be a ghost edge at the floor
>> and
>> you don't want to fill above that level. You can leave 2-3 inches of the
>> original foam at the edges to act as a ledge or level to know the height
>> you
>> need to refill. I think the factory put the floor in first and then
>> injected
>> the foam which expanded to fit the cavity. I did the reverse. I would
>> pour
>
>> a
>> small amount of foam and put plastic sheet and a board on top so the foam
>> would expand just to the height I wanted. Remove the sheet which will not
>> stick to the foam and do another section next to it.You figure it out as
>> you
>> go. The foam is a 2 part mixture you mix and pour and it expands rapidly
>> and
>> with some force. It is cured say in 5 minutes. I wanted my floor to be as
>> close to original so I didn't have to re-engineer things. The whole
>> project
>> took months as I am slow but the end result is perfect. I used regular
>> plywood and common fiberglass materials. I used materials from a company
>> called Fibre Glast - they do a nice business on line and ship fast. You
>> want
>> to use fresh materials. Let me know if this helps or if you need more
>> info.
>> I could spend hours on this subject. TK
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "omc-boats-digest" <owner-omc-boats-digest@...>
>> To: <omc-boats-digest@...>
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:00 PM
>> Subject: omc-boats-digest V1 #367
>>
>>
>>>
>>> omc-boats-digest Monday, August 22 2005 Volume 01 : Number
>>> 367
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>> Re: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:08:00 -0400
>>> From: "Thomas Klauber" <tklauber@...>
>>> Subject: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>
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>>> I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue about 3 years ago. The entire hull is
>>> = filled with foam. There are 2 longitudinal stringers and one gray
>>> PVC = pipe connecting the front "bilge" area to the rear bilge. I used
>>> a large = Forstner drill bit to remove the foam. Some of it had gotten
>>> = waterlogged. The stringers go from front to rear.They are not
>>> visible = and are sheathed in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to the
>>> fiberglass = hull with fiberglass. Their main purpose I think is to
>>> provide rigidity = to the hull and more important they are where the
>>> engine mounts are = supported under the engine compartment deck. The
>>> fiberglass floor you = see in the engine compartment is over foam and
>>> is a separate piece and = is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch
>>> it. The floor surface is = plywood covered with fiberglass. There are
>>> screws going through the = floor to the stringers. The seats mount to
>>> "T" nuts in the reverse side = of the plywood. The foam is easy to get
>>> out really. It is a 2 part = polyurethane foam. Rebuilding is the hard
>>> part and really quite simple = but you need to take as many
>>> measurements/photos before you start and = during the disassembly so
>>> things will fit back together. Dimensions at = the rear hatch and side
>>> panels are tight and you don't want to make many = mistakes. The wood
>>> surrounding my front bilge had rotted and that's what = go me started.
>>> Email if you need further instructions. Tom
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>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue
>>> about =
>>> 3 years ago.=20
>>> The entire hull is filled with foam. There are 2 longitudinal
>>> stringers = and one=20 gray PVC pipe connecting the front "bilge" area
>>> to the rear bilge. I = used a=20 large Forstner drill bit to remove
>>> the foam. Some of it had gotten = waterlogged.=20 The stringers go
>>> from front to rear.They are not visible and=20 are sheathed
>>> in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to = the fiberglass=20 hull
>>> with fiberglass.</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Their main =
>>> purpose I=20 think is to provide rigidity to the hull and more
>>> important they are = where the=20 engine mounts are supported under
>>> the engine compartment deck. The = fiberglass=20 floor you see in the
>>> engine compartment is over foam and is a = separate=20 piece and
>>> is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch it. The floor = surface
>>> is=20 plywood covered with fiberglass. There are screws going through
>>> the = floor to the=20 stringers. The seats mount to "T" nuts in the
>>> reverse side of the = plywood. The=20 foam is easy to get out really.
>>> It is a 2 part polyurethane foam. = Rebuilding is=20 the hard part and
>>> really quite simple but you need to take as many=20
>>> measurements/photos before you start and during the disassembly
>>> so = things=20 will fit back together. Dimensions at the rear hatch
>>> and side panels are = tight=20 and you don't want to make many
>>> mistakes. The wood surrounding my front = bilge=20 had rotted and
>>> that's what go me started. Email if you need further=20 instructions.
>>> Tom</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:24:06 -0500
>>> From: "Glenn Halweg" <glennhalweg@...>
>>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>
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>>> Tom, you say rebuilding is the hard part and really quite simple.
>>> What's = involved?=20
>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>> From: Thomas Klauber=20
>>> To: omc-boats-digest@...=20
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:08 AM
>>> Subject: [omc-boats] 69 Rogue Hull
>>>
>>>
>>> I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue about 3 years ago. The entire hull
>>> is = filled with foam. There are 2 longitudinal stringers and one gray
>>> PVC = pipe connecting the front "bilge" area to the rear bilge. I used
>>> a large = Forstner drill bit to remove the foam. Some of it had gotten
>>> = waterlogged. The stringers go from front to rear.They are not
>>> visible = and are sheathed in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to the
>>> fiberglass = hull with fiberglass. Their main purpose I think is to
>>> provide rigidity = to the hull and more important they are where the
>>> engine mounts are = supported under the engine compartment deck. The
>>> fiberglass floor you = see in the engine compartment is over foam and
>>> is a separate piece and = is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch
>>> it. The floor surface is = plywood covered with fiberglass. There are
>>> screws going through the = floor to the stringers. The seats mount to
>>> "T" nuts in the reverse side = of the plywood. The foam is easy to get
>>> out really. It is a 2 part = polyurethane foam. Rebuilding is the hard
>>> part and really quite simple = but you need to take as many
>>> measurements/photos before you start and = during the disassembly so
>>> things will fit back together. Dimensions at = the rear hatch and side
>>> panels are tight and you don't want to make many = mistakes. The wood
>>> surrounding my front bilge had rotted and that's what = go me started.
>>> Email if you need further instructions. Tom
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>>> <DIV>Tom, you say rebuilding is the hard part and really quite =
>>> simple.=20 What's involved? </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV
>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>>> <DIV=20
>>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
>>> black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dtklauber@... =
>>> href=3D"mailto:tklauber@...">Thomas=20
>>> Klauber</A> </DIV>
>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
>>> title=3Domc-boats-digest@...=20
>>> =
>>> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats-digest@...">omc-boats-digest@...
>>> e.c=
>>> om</A>=20
>>> </DIV>
>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 22, 2005
>>> = 7:08=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B>
>>> [omc-boats] 69 Rogue = Hull</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT
>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>I redid the floor in my 69 Rogue = about 3
>>> years=20 ago. The entire hull is filled with foam. There are 2
>>> longitudinal = stringers=20 and one gray PVC pipe connecting the
>>> front "bilge" area to the rear = bilge. I=20 used a large Forstner
>>> drill bit to remove the foam. Some of it had = gotten=20 waterlogged.
>>> The stringers go from front to rear.They are not = visible and=20
>>> are sheathed in fiberglass mat. They are anchored to =
>>> the fiberglass=20 hull with fiberglass.</FONT><FONT face=3DArial
>>> size=3D2> Their = main purpose I=20 think is to provide rigidity
>>> to the hull and more important they are = where the=20 engine mounts
>>> are supported under the engine compartment deck. The = fiberglass=20
>>> floor you see in the engine compartment is over foam and is a =
>>> separate=20 piece and is glassed in at the edges - I did not touch
>>> it. The floor = surface=20 is plywood covered with fiberglass. There
>>> are screws going through the = floor=20 to the stringers. The seats
>>> mount to "T" nuts in the reverse side of = the=20 plywood. The foam
>>> is easy to get out really. It is a 2 part = polyurethane foam.=20
>>> Rebuilding is the hard part and really quite simple but you need to =
>>> take as=20 many measurements/photos before you start and during
>>> the = disassembly so=20 things will fit back together. Dimensions at
>>> the rear hatch and side = panels=20 are tight and you don't want to
>>> make many mistakes. The wood = surrounding my=20 front bilge had
>>> rotted and that's what go me started. Email if you = need=20 further
>>> instructions. Tom</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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