[omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #694

All I can say is check the easy things first. Snoop around and see if there
is a battery cable corroded or loose(including the ground wire to the
block). Wear glasses when messing around the battery. Its gotta be something
simple. Check connections for loosening. It sounds like an electrical
problem to me. The manual is a good start for ideas. Good luck. TK
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> omc-boats-digest Friday, April 13 2007 Volume 01 : Number
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> [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
> Re: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
> RE: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
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> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:09:26 -0500
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> Subject: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>
> I de-winterized my '69 Sportsman 155 two weeks ago in my driveway. It
> started right up and ran nicely with the flush adapter attached. I backed
> it down the ramp yesterday and turned the key --- nothing. We'll almost
> nothing. All I heard was a single click each time the key turned. It's
> not
> the battery. It's brand new and everything else electrical is strong.
> I'm
> pretty good at fixing things -- if I know what to fix. Diagnosing
> problems
> are little more difficult for me. Suggestions on how to proceed (other
> than
> taking it to a shop), would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Gregory B. Fell
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> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:46:30 -0600
> From: <lib1@...>
> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>
> Hi GBF,
>
> If I had to take a guess, based on an identical symptom that I had a
> couple
> years back (also on the launch ramp -- as opposed to out on the Lake) --
> my bet's on the starter motor. It could also be be solenoid on the starter
> or it could also be the remote (slave) starter relay. Thar last relay is,
> I
> believe, interchangeable with the tilt-up and tilt-down relays.
>
> On the starter motor, the originals use the GM Delco 10MT (long/short
> mounting bolts) Marine-rated starter which is a 20+ pound hulk of a beast.
> They have enough mass to crankover forever without over heating. You can
> and
> probably should get the newer style GM permanent magnet gear reduction
> (PMGR) Marine starters. These have higher torque and weigh-in at less than
> half the mass. These are readily available from numerous suppliers. Try:
> http://www.mascostartersandalternators.com/INBOARD-STARTERS.html They run
> about a $115, brand new. Be sure and get it complete with the long/short
> mounting bolt kits, as the old bolts will not work. Another double-check
> is
> to insure your Buick V6 uses the pre-86 starter mounting bolt pattern. The
> mounting holes on the motors are not staggered, as were later GM enginges.
> You could have the old 10MT-beast rebuilt, but in my opinion. it's best
> suited to bench pressing in the weight room. Why carry all the weight
> around?
>
> I would first make sure the remote (slave) starter relay is not suspect.
> That relay runs about $35.00 and it is a good spare to always carry
> onboard
> since the boat uses three of them. The new starter will come complete with
> the integral solenoid. I would hate to see you swap the starter and not
> check everything else: 1) Battery, 2) cables, 3) control wires from
> switch,
> 4) remote relay, and 5) finally the starter. (Oh yeah, And don't forget
> to
> check those Prestolite alternator brushes, while your into the electrical
> mood!)
>
> Anyways look at the bright side --- be glad it happened on the launch ramp
> and not in harms way!
>
> Lee Shuster
> Salt Lake
>
>
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> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:09 AM
> Subject: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>
>
>>I de-winterized my '69 Sportsman 155 two weeks ago in my driveway. It
>> started right up and ran nicely with the flush adapter attached. I
>> backed
>> it down the ramp yesterday and turned the key --- nothing. We'll almost
>> nothing. All I heard was a single click each time the key turned. It's
>> not
>> the battery. It's brand new and everything else electrical is strong.
>> I'm
>> pretty good at fixing things -- if I know what to fix. Diagnosing
>> problems
>> are little more difficult for me. Suggestions on how to proceed (other
>> than
>> taking it to a shop), would be appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>> Gregory B. Fell
>>
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>> 11:52 AM
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> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:51:11 -0500
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> Subject: RE: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>
> Thank you very much. I'll get my manual out and get to work.
>
> Gregory B. Fell
> The Fell Law Firm
> 3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
> Dallas, Texas 75219
> PHN : 972-488-8177
> FAX : 214-219-4218
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> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>
> Hi GBF,
>
> If I had to take a guess, based on an identical symptom that I had a
> couple
> years back (also on the launch ramp -- as opposed to out on the Lake) --
> my bet's on the starter motor. It could also be be solenoid on the starter
> or it could also be the remote (slave) starter relay. Thar last relay is,
> I
> believe, interchangeable with the tilt-up and tilt-down relays.
>
> On the starter motor, the originals use the GM Delco 10MT (long/short
> mounting bolts) Marine-rated starter which is a 20+ pound hulk of a beast.
> They have enough mass to crankover forever without over heating. You can
> and
>
> probably should get the newer style GM permanent magnet gear reduction
> (PMGR) Marine starters. These have higher torque and weigh-in at less than
> half the mass. These are readily available from numerous suppliers. Try:
> http://www.mascostartersandalternators.com/INBOARD-STARTERS.html They run
> about a $115, brand new. Be sure and get it complete with the long/short
> mounting bolt kits, as the old bolts will not work. Another double-check
> is
> to insure your Buick V6 uses the pre-86 starter mounting bolt pattern. The
> mounting holes on the motors are not staggered, as were later GM enginges.
> You could have the old 10MT-beast rebuilt, but in my opinion. it's best
> suited to bench pressing in the weight room. Why carry all the weight
> around?
>
> I would first make sure the remote (slave) starter relay is not suspect.
> That relay runs about $35.00 and it is a good spare to always carry
> onboard
> since the boat uses three of them. The new starter will come complete with
> the integral solenoid. I would hate to see you swap the starter and not
> check everything else: 1) Battery, 2) cables, 3) control wires from
> switch,
> 4) remote relay, and 5) finally the starter. (Oh yeah, And don't forget
> to
> check those Prestolite alternator brushes, while your into the electrical
> mood!)
>
> Anyways look at the bright side --- be glad it happened on the launch ramp
> and not in harms way!
>
> Lee Shuster
> Salt Lake
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:09 AM
> Subject: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>
>
>>I de-winterized my '69 Sportsman 155 two weeks ago in my driveway. It
>> started right up and ran nicely with the flush adapter attached. I
>> backed
>> it down the ramp yesterday and turned the key --- nothing. We'll almost
>> nothing. All I heard was a single click each time the key turned. It's
>> not
>> the battery. It's brand new and everything else electrical is strong.
>> I'm
>> pretty good at fixing things -- if I know what to fix. Diagnosing
>> problems
>> are little more difficult for me. Suggestions on how to proceed (other
>> than
>> taking it to a shop), would be appreciated. Thanks.
>>
>> Gregory B. Fell
>>
>> --
>> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.3.0/758 - Release Date: 4/12/2007
>> 11:52 AM
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