Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:02:19 -0600
Hi GFB,
Good isolation and troubleshooting! Yep, one could probably get by with just a replacement starter solenoid. But as you'll most likely want to remove the starter to do that (cheap labor?) combined with the fact that the starter solenoid is roughly 1/3+ the cost of a new starter/solenoid and your unit shows evidence of having already been rebuilt once before -- well you see where I'm going?
But you make the call. You do have the old-school, Delco 10MT weighing in at over 20+ pounds. If you don't have to extended cranking (in excess of 30 secs) to get her started, I'd go for the newer style PMGR marine-rated starter/solenoid.
BTW, the serial number plate is for the powerplant only, not the hull.
It Decodes (as best I can read it:) HU = Buick 225 V6, F=Floor Mount, R=Rope steering, 69M=1969
See: http://hhscott.com/evinrude/stringer_models_72.htm
I don't think Phil or anyone else has collected a database of engine S/N plates.
Lee
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From: Gregory B. Fell
To: omc-boats@...
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:27 AM
Subject: RE: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
Lee,
Thanks again for the comments. The Seloc manual had a flow chart that was very easy to follow for diagnostic purposes. The first check was for the solenoid (starter relay). It said to bridge the cable from the battery to the ignition wire. When I did, the motor cranked. Therefore, I have a bad solenoid. I happened to have my camera with me, so I stuck it in and took a few pictures of hard to see areas. Here's the starter motor with relay on top. Time to look for the part. Do you have any comments on the motor? Judging from the Williamsburg, MI (where I boated when I was a kid [Elk Lake, MI]) shop sticker on it, it's either been worked on or replaced.
On another note, I had never been able to find my serial number before. I had my shoulders and head in the engine compartment, looked up, and there it was. I snapped a picture for my records. I recall someone on this site had compiled a list of boats still alive and kicking. If that list is still being updated, here's mine.
Gregory B. Fell
The Fell Law Firm
3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
Dallas, Texas 75219
PHN : 972-488-8177
FAX : 214-219-4218
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From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...] On Behalf Of lib1@...
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:47 AM
To: omc-boats@...
Subject: Re: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
Hi GBF,
If I had to take a guess, based on an identical symptom that I had a couple
years back (also on the launch ramp -- as opposed to out on the Lake) --
my bet's on the starter motor. It could also be be solenoid on the starter
or it could also be the remote (slave) starter relay. Thar last relay is, I
believe, interchangeable with the tilt-up and tilt-down relays.
On the starter motor, the originals use the GM Delco 10MT (long/short
mounting bolts) Marine-rated starter which is a 20+ pound hulk of a beast.
They have enough mass to crankover forever without over heating. You can and
probably should get the newer style GM permanent magnet gear reduction
(PMGR) Marine starters. These have higher torque and weigh-in at less than
half the mass. These are readily available from numerous suppliers. Try:
http://www.mascostartersandalternators.com/INBOARD-STARTERS.html They run
about a $115, brand new. Be sure and get it complete with the long/short
mounting bolt kits, as the old bolts will not work. Another double-check is
to insure your Buick V6 uses the pre-86 starter mounting bolt pattern. The
mounting holes on the motors are not staggered, as were later GM enginges.
You could have the old 10MT-beast rebuilt, but in my opinion. it's best
suited to bench pressing in the weight room. Why carry all the weight
around?
I would first make sure the remote (slave) starter relay is not suspect.
That relay runs about $35.00 and it is a good spare to always carry onboard
since the boat uses three of them. The new starter will come complete with
the integral solenoid. I would hate to see you swap the starter and not
check everything else: 1) Battery, 2) cables, 3) control wires from switch,
4) remote relay, and 5) finally the starter. (Oh yeah, And don't forget to
check those Prestolite alternator brushes, while your into the electrical
mood!)
Anyways look at the bright side --- be glad it happened on the launch ramp
and not in harms way!
Lee Shuster
Salt Lake
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From: "Gregory B. Fell" <gfell@...>
To: <omc-boats@...>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: [omc-boats] First Run - No Go
>I de-winterized my '69 Sportsman 155 two weeks ago in my driveway. It
> started right up and ran nicely with the flush adapter attached. I backed
> it down the ramp yesterday and turned the key --- nothing. We'll almost
> nothing. All I heard was a single click each time the key turned. It's
> not
> the battery. It's brand new and everything else electrical is strong.
> I'm
> pretty good at fixing things -- if I know what to fix. Diagnosing
> problems
> are little more difficult for me. Suggestions on how to proceed (other
> than
> taking it to a shop), would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Gregory B. Fell
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