Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:01:49 -0400
FWIW, I got what seems to be an excellent rebuilt carb for my 68
Sportsman 155 from:
http://www.marinecarburetor.com/
I attached a photo, dunno if it will come thru the list.
Best,
-Micah
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> 3. eBay Motors: Holley 712-801-1 Fuel Pump Electric Red Marine
> Summit (item 320141077976 end time Aug-23-07 19:28:59 PDT)
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> 5. Re: Engine sources (Lee Shuster)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:43:17 -0500
> From: aperakes@...
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
> Message-ID: <20070731162744.M49306@...>
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> Thanks for the thoughts. I believe some of the mailing list
> members have
> also converted to electric, so I know there are options, just not
> ones I
> want to get into during my vacation. The good news is I just found
> a part.
> Its across the border back closer to Detroit and a shocking near-
> $200, but
> it is the original OMC (AC) fuel pump. So I'm off to drive down
> now to pick
> it up, carrying my old one in tow to ensure I get the right part.
> With luck
> I'll be back in the water tonight or tomorrow morning!
>
> As much as I love this old boat, I'm starting to think seriously about
> selling it. I don't get much vacation time and I don't like
> spending it
> searching for expensive parts. Granted I've only had 1/2-dozen
> repairs in
> 40 years, but the current difficulty finding the parts generally
> means I'm
> down my entire vacation when I most want to run it: in the last
> 7-8 years,
> I've lost 3 vacations to a water pump, alternator, and now a fuel
> pump. I
> haven't decided for sure yet, but if there's anyone on the list
> with serious
> interest in a 1-owner Reveler in exceptionally good condition, drop
> me a
> line as I'd much rather see it go to someone with a genuine
> interest. I
> probably won't start looking at new ones until the Metro Beach Boat
> Show in
> September (a sweet in & out of water show near the St. Clair Shores
> Nautical
> Mile). Unfortunately I doubt anyone makes anything that sits close
> to the
> water with a fold-down windshield and no side glass that floats in
> 8" of
> water like this beaut.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:57:37 -0700, jdood wrote
>> For what it's worth....i replaced my fuel pump last summer. I
>> assumed original wasn't around any longer and so, upon
>> recommendation of a mechanic I know, located and entirely new FP
>> outside the engine compartment against the back transom. When you
>> do this you can get a better fuel pump, and the thing isn't bolted
>> right to the engine block like the original (always seemed weird)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: omc-boats-bounces@...
>> [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Phil Budne
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:24 AM
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
>>
>>> Hey all! After 2 great days of skiing, tubing, and such on the
>> Canadian
>>> side of Lake Huron, my 1967 Johnson Reveler had a "thermal event."
>>> Fortunately, no one was hurt and I traced the problem to a blown
>>> fuel
>> pump
>>> that was dripping fuel into the bilge. (And judging from the
>>> look of
>> the
>>> gaskets and diaphram, I suspect ethanol-laced fuel at least
>> contributed to
>>> the failure.) Fortunately we always run the blower before
>>> starting so
>> there
>>> wasn't enough vapor to make a big boom, but it was still enough to
>> ignite,
>>> blow the hatch open, and justify use of the fire extinguisher.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, purpose of the note isn't to broadcast my misfortune, but to
>> ask
>>> your assistance in finding a new fuel pump (OMC p/#381688) or a
>> rebuild kit
>>> (OMC p/# 381689). Both parts are obsolete and unavailable according
>> to my
>>> local dealer. I've spent the last 5 hours calling around (including
>> places
>>> like Sea-Way) and looking on the net. The closest I've come is
>> aftermarket
>>> pumps by Carter (part # CARM3643) and Sierra (part # 18-7258),
>>> but I'm
>> not
>>> 100% sure either is right nor if either has a built-in filter
>>> such as
>> the
>>> OMC part. Has anyone tried either of these pumps? If so, did they
>>> fit/function properly and do they have a built-in filter like the OE
>> pump?
>>> My engine model is HU 16C and this is the 155 Hp 225 ci V6. I'm 3
>> days into
>>> my vacation and I'd really like to get the boat running again
>>> (safely)
>> by
>>> Wednesday...which shouldn't be a problem if I can just find a
>>> part and
>> get
>>> it here by then! Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andy Perakes
>>> 1967 Johnson Reveler
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:27:37 -0600
> From: "Lee Shuster" <lee.k.shuster@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Some FP ideas: WAS: Fuel pump needed ASAP
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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>
> This doesn't fall into the:
> "I'm 3 days into my vacation and I'd really like to get the boat
> running
> again (safely)
> by Wednesday...which shouldn't be a problem if I can just find a part
> and
> get it here by then!"-category but....
>
> Next winter you should consider installing an external fuel/water
> separator filter, which most newer boats have:
> See:
> http://www.masonmarine.net/product_info.php?
> products_id=1472&osCsid=9db4
> e3dbbac047c4b893574d87657878
> And/or
> http://www.masonmarine.net/product_info.php?products_id=1462\
>
> Then you won't have to be dependent on the now-obsolete & hard to find
> OMC-(GM-AC?) Fp/filter and you'll have more options with regards to
> fuel
> pumps, be they mechanical (external) electric.
>
> Also, be sure and use the best marine-rated rubber fuel lines to
> reconnect everything.
> See:
> http://www.tridentmarine.com/stage/fuel.htm
>
> I'm still using the original OMC-supplied fuel pump on my 210-hp
> Chevy.
> But at some point I may convert over to an externally mounted electric
> fuel pump (gotta save at least a hp or three?) Just make sure that
> any
> fuel pump, electric or mechanical is USCG-approved for Marine use and
> you keep the pressure down around 4-6(?) psi (the actual psi spec is
> listed in the factory and Seloc manuals).
>
> See:
> http://www.marineexhaustmanifolds.com/fuelpumps.cfm
> http://www.stewartwarner.com/Catalog/fuelpumpmar.html
>
>
> lee.shuster@...
> 801.585.5552
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omc-boats-bounces@...
> [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of jdood
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:58 AM
> To: 'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
>
> For what it's worth....i replaced my fuel pump last summer. I assumed
> original wasn't around any longer and so, upon recommendation of a
> mechanic I know, located and entirely new FP outside the engine
> compartment against the back transom. When you do this you can get a
> better fuel pump, and the thing isn't bolted right to the engine block
> like the original (always seemed weird)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omc-boats-bounces@...
> [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Phil Budne
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:24 AM
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
>
>> Hey all! After 2 great days of skiing, tubing, and such on the
> Canadian
>> side of Lake Huron, my 1967 Johnson Reveler had a "thermal event."
>> Fortunately, no one was hurt and I traced the problem to a blown fuel
> pump
>> that was dripping fuel into the bilge. (And judging from the look of
> the
>> gaskets and diaphram, I suspect ethanol-laced fuel at least
> contributed to
>> the failure.) Fortunately we always run the blower before
>> starting so
> there
>> wasn't enough vapor to make a big boom, but it was still enough to
> ignite,
>> blow the hatch open, and justify use of the fire extinguisher.
>>
>> Anyhow, purpose of the note isn't to broadcast my misfortune, but to
> ask
>> your assistance in finding a new fuel pump (OMC p/#381688) or a
> rebuild kit
>> (OMC p/# 381689). Both parts are obsolete and unavailable according
> to my
>> local dealer. I've spent the last 5 hours calling around (including
> places
>> like Sea-Way) and looking on the net. The closest I've come is
> aftermarket
>> pumps by Carter (part # CARM3643) and Sierra (part # 18-7258), but
>> I'm
> not
>> 100% sure either is right nor if either has a built-in filter such as
> the
>> OMC part. Has anyone tried either of these pumps? If so, did they
>> fit/function properly and do they have a built-in filter like the OE
> pump?
>> My engine model is HU 16C and this is the 155 Hp 225 ci V6. I'm 3
> days into
>> my vacation and I'd really like to get the boat running again
>> (safely)
> by
>> Wednesday...which shouldn't be a problem if I can just find a part
>> and
> get
>> it here by then! Thanks!
>>
>> Andy Perakes
>> 1967 Johnson Reveler
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> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:34:55 -0600
> From: "Lee Shuster" <lee.k.shuster@...>
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] eBay Motors: Holley 712-801-1 Fuel Pump Electric
> Red Marine Summit (item 320141077976 end time Aug-23-07 19:28:59 PDT)
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Holley-712-801-1-Fuel-Pump-Electric-
> Red-M
> arine-Summit_W0QQitemZ320141077976QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Just a thought......
>
> I've had good luck getting shipments from Summit Racing in a hurry,
> especially if you don't mind paying some extra shipping costs.
>
> This Holley electric is EFP is marine rated and is self-regulated.
>
> I'm sure you don't have to buy it thru eBay...Call them at
> 1-800-230-3030
>
> /Lee
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:04:51 -0500
> From: William Anderson <speednut@...>
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Engine sources
> To: "'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'"
> <omc-boats@...>
> Message-ID: <FCD685F096A44AECAF086360044AD375@...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
> Hello list. I acquired a 68 Evinrude Sportsman last fall (155 Hp
> 225 ci V6)
> and finally finished enough rewiring to get it to start.
>
> Long story short, when I hooked up the garden hose, water ran out
> of number
> 6 cylinder. When the boats aren't winterized properly, is it
> normally the
> head or the block that cracks? I've been trying to scrounge an
> engine but
> haven't found any.
>
> Does anyone have ideas where to source a motor? Or is there an
> alternate for
> that motor? Is the lower unit also susceptible to freezing?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill with the once frozen Sportsman.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:32:19 -0600
> From: "Lee Shuster" <lee.k.shuster@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Engine sources
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
> Message-ID:
> <52C6D231DACB0547A90093536839AC3D70BEEE@...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Sorry to hear about the dreaded freeze, but welcome aboard.
>
> I'm qualified to answer alternative re-powering questions, having
> swapped out my Sportsman's Buick V6 for a 307 small block Chevy.
> Details
> at:
> http://hhscott.com/evinrude/chevy_v8.htm
> http://hhscott.com/evinrude/buick_v6.htm
>
>>> Or is there an alternate for that motor?
>
> The OMC intermediate housing is cross-drilled for B-O-P
> (Buick-Olds-Pontiac) or Chevy bell housings.
> So, in theory you could use a number of alternatives:
>
> Chevy-II-based 120 hp Inline four
> Chevy (stove bolt) 165 hp Inline six
> Chevy Small block V8 (283-307-327-350-400)
> Chevy Small bock V6 (3.8 and 4.3)
> Buick 225-231-252 V6, Buick 300 V8. The even-fire Buick V6 231 are
> most
> common.
>
> Ford 302 and 351-W V8's but you'll need a different OMC intermediate
> housing (not worth the trouble IMHO).
>
> The limiting factor is availability of OMC compatible, water-jacket
> exhaust manifolds (which may also be damaged).
>
> As you go up and down in engine size you may also need to consider
> changing the final drive gear ratios in your sterndrive, as you'll run
> out of range options in how you re-pitch your existing prop. Props
> were
> commonly only available in 12" to 20" pitches.
>
> You'll be able to find a Buick V6 or Chevy V6 if you know where to
> look,
> in both automotive and marine versions.
>
> lee.shuster@...
> 801.585.5552
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omc-boats-bounces@...
> [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of William
> Anderson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:05 PM
> To: 'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Engine sources
>
>
> Hello list. I acquired a 68 Evinrude Sportsman last fall (155 Hp
> 225 ci
> V6) and finally finished enough rewiring to get it to start.
>
> Long story short, when I hooked up the garden hose, water ran out of
> number
> 6 cylinder. When the boats aren't winterized properly, is it normally
> the head or the block that cracks? I've been trying to scrounge an
> engine but haven't found any.
>
> Does anyone have ideas where to source a motor? Or is there an
> alternate
> for that motor? Is the lower unit also susceptible to freezing?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill with the once frozen Sportsman.
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:37:51 +0000
> From: farmall2@...
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Carburator Rebuild/Kit needed for 1966 Johnson
> Caprice
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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> Trying to get a newly aquired 1966 Johnson Caprice back on the
> water. After tinkering with it for a few days I got the engine to
> crank and spark restored. Also got the electric fuel pump pumping
> again. The engine did start for a short few seconds and then the
> the fuel began to pour from the carburator. Looks like the gaskets
> or needle/seats are dried out/bad.
> The local boat dealer could get some carb parts, but not a rebuild
> kit. They were also not to helpful on agreeing to do a rebuild of
> the carb. I guess because of the parts scarcity.
> Any ideas from the group on a parts source or a rebuild shop? The
> boat has an OMC 90HP V4 2 cycle. Engine number is DU-13ER.
> Thanks
> Carl
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> Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 19:34:04 -0400
> From: "Thomas Klauber" <tklauber@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 3, Issue 20
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>
> What about converting to an electric fuel pump. Just do not have
> rubber line
> between pump and carburator. Sorry about the bilge fire - good you
> got it
> under control. TK
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Phil Budne <phil@...>
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Message-ID: <200707311424.l6VEOBrZ093015@...>
>>
>>> Hey all! After 2 great days of skiing, tubing, and such on the
>>> Canadian
>>> side of Lake Huron, my 1967 Johnson Reveler had a "thermal event."
>>> Fortunately, no one was hurt and I traced the problem to a blown
>>> fuel
>>> pump
>>> that was dripping fuel into the bilge. (And judging from the
>>> look of the
>>> gaskets and diaphram, I suspect ethanol-laced fuel at least
>>> contributed
>>> to
>>> the failure.) Fortunately we always run the blower before
>>> starting so
>>> there
>>> wasn't enough vapor to make a big boom, but it was still enough to
>>> ignite,
>>> blow the hatch open, and justify use of the fire extinguisher.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, purpose of the note isn't to broadcast my misfortune, but
>>> to ask
>>> your assistance in finding a new fuel pump (OMC p/#381688) or a
>>> rebuild
>>> kit
>>> (OMC p/# 381689). Both parts are obsolete and unavailable
>>> according to
>>> my
>>> local dealer. I've spent the last 5 hours calling around (including
>>> places
>>> like Sea-Way) and looking on the net. The closest I've come is
>>> aftermarket
>>> pumps by Carter (part # CARM3643) and Sierra (part # 18-7258),
>>> but I'm
>>> not
>>> 100% sure either is right nor if either has a built-in filter
>>> such as the
>>> OMC part. Has anyone tried either of these pumps? If so, did they
>>> fit/function properly and do they have a built-in filter like the OE
>>> pump?
>>> My engine model is HU 16C and this is the 155 Hp 225 ci V6. I'm
>>> 3 days
>>> into
>>> my vacation and I'd really like to get the boat running again
>>> (safely) by
>>> Wednesday...which shouldn't be a problem if I can just find a
>>> part and
>>> get
>>> it here by then! Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andy Perakes
>>> 1967 Johnson Reveler
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:57:37 -0700
>> From: "jdood" <jdood@...>
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
>> To: "'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'"
>> <omc-boats@...>
>> Message-ID: <004f01c7d383$235889d0$0b00a8c0@...>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> For what it's worth....i replaced my fuel pump last summer. I
>> assumed
>> original wasn't around any longer and so, upon recommendation of a
>> mechanic I know, located and entirely new FP outside the engine
>> compartment against the back transom. When you do this you can
>> get a
>> better fuel pump, and the thing isn't bolted right to the engine
>> block
>> like the original (always seemed weird)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: omc-boats-bounces@...
>> [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Phil Budne
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:24 AM
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] FWD: Fuel pump needed ASAP
>>
>>> Hey all! After 2 great days of skiing, tubing, and such on the
>> Canadian
>>> side of Lake Huron, my 1967 Johnson Reveler had a "thermal event."
>>> Fortunately, no one was hurt and I traced the problem to a blown
>>> fuel
>> pump
>>> that was dripping fuel into the bilge. (And judging from the
>>> look of
>> the
>>> gaskets and diaphram, I suspect ethanol-laced fuel at least
>> contributed to
>>> the failure.) Fortunately we always run the blower before
>>> starting so
>> there
>>> wasn't enough vapor to make a big boom, but it was still enough to
>> ignite,
>>> blow the hatch open, and justify use of the fire extinguisher.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, purpose of the note isn't to broadcast my misfortune, but to
>> ask
>>> your assistance in finding a new fuel pump (OMC p/#381688) or a
>> rebuild kit
>>> (OMC p/# 381689). Both parts are obsolete and unavailable according
>> to my
>>> local dealer. I've spent the last 5 hours calling around (including
>> places
>>> like Sea-Way) and looking on the net. The closest I've come is
>> aftermarket
>>> pumps by Carter (part # CARM3643) and Sierra (part # 18-7258),
>>> but I'm
>> not
>>> 100% sure either is right nor if either has a built-in filter
>>> such as
>> the
>>> OMC part. Has anyone tried either of these pumps? If so, did they
>>> fit/function properly and do they have a built-in filter like the OE
>> pump?
>>> My engine model is HU 16C and this is the 155 Hp 225 ci V6. I'm 3
>> days into
>>> my vacation and I'd really like to get the boat running again
>>> (safely)
>> by
>>> Wednesday...which shouldn't be a problem if I can just find a
>>> part and
>> get
>>> it here by then! Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andy Perakes
>>> 1967 Johnson Reveler
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