Sea Way Marine is in Seattle WA - I have bought many parts from them
including some hull parts but don't get your hopes up. I deal with Dave
Losvar there - it has been several years since I have ordered anything. Last
week I bought 2 vintage flush adapters for the older model stern drives off
of ebay. They are the end caps with garder hose fitting. I am waiting for
them in the mail. I need one and will offer the other for sale eventually.
The seller is in New York state and we got to talking by phone - his dad
"collects" old Johnson Evinrude boats and they DBA: Burt Goodnough's
Marina East; 9245 State Rt. 3; Sandy Creek, NY 13145 with email :
bgmarina@... I talked with the son Chris and told him about
this website. They may be receptive to selling some of the boats or parts,
don't know - but worth a look. I asked him for a rub rail but haven't heard
anything. Had the rogue out several times this summer and it is running
great now that I got that little thingy (antisiphon valve) in the
carbeurator filter fixed. I often think of selling the old boats and buying
some nice sleek Stingray or maybe a Checkmate but know how I would miss the
old battleax once it was gone! It still looks good in the driveway. Maybe I
will work on world peace or something else! Best wishes to all and happy
boating! TK
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> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:41:15 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Ethan Brodsky <brodskye@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - Sterndrive motor drags
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Jeff LaCoste wrote:
>> Recently my stern drive on my OMC 64 Deluxe started to refuse to drop
>> down or raise itself without a little helping hand from me. I
>> remember hearing that the gear/motor for these were a little lacking
>> on the power. Has anyone on the list experienced this? If so did you
>> fix the unit or replace it? Any idea on the costs of these? I think I
>> could probably get one as SeaWay in Seattle.
>
> The first thing to do is check the oil in the tilt gearbox. The oil fill
> point is the plug in the lower center of your picture. Pull it off and
> hopefully there will be oil to that level - or if it's like mine it'll be
> filled to the top with a milky oil water mixture. Either way, squirt some
> oil in (I've seen various opinions as to whether 10W30 or Type C is
> recommended) and work it up and down a few times.
>
> Replacing the tilt motor is a fairly simple process, though may be
> somewhat
> difficult to reach and might require a good set of tools. I needed to
> modify a hex driver bit to do the inner bolt, as clearance is blocked by
> the bell housing. That's on a '70 with the 155 hp V-6 - yours might be
> different. I'm guessing this wouldn't be a problem with a better tools.
>
> If you've got the same innards as me, the tilt motor is a Prestolite
> ETK4102 - I bought mine refurbished for $100 from Finicki's Auto Electric,
> a local shop (they had it in-stock and, yes, it was marine-rated!). I've
> seen new ones on ebay for as little as $30, though that requires more
> patience. They are widely available online for $75-150 or so:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=etk4102
>
> If you have it apart, I'd recommend replacing the "hammer-blow coupler" as
> well - I bought mine from Seaway (#309267) for about $7 shipped. You
> might
> destroy the old coupler while removing it, so once you decide to do this
> you're somewhat committed.
>
> Be careful while installing the new motor - the mounting bolts hold the
> motor end-cap on, so if you tilt it the wrong way, it'll all fall apart.
> There's probably some pro trick like using tape to hold it together during
> installation, but I didn't know that. It's pretty annoying to have to
> fish
> all the little parts (brushes, springs, gaskets, wave washers, etc...) out
> of the bilge, and I'm sure getting them wet wasn't great for them. If I
> had had the right tools and wasn't an idiot about letting it fall apart, I
> think the swap would've only taken about 15 minutes. Instead I spent
> about
> an hour, as I had to do one of the bolts with an open-ended wrench in tiny
> increments.
>
> My old motor was badly corroded inside - I can't remember if I had to
> return it as a core or if I still have it around, but it didn't look worth
> fixing.
>
> Replacing the tilt motor led to an immediate and vast improvement in tilt
> performance. It'd been lethargic as long as I'd had the boat and
> sometimes
> needed some help, especially if the battery was low or it was cold. Now
> it
> instantly flies up and down, so quickly that it often will go all the way
> to the lower bump stop from a brief push - I've thought of adding an
> inline
> resistor to the down relay to make it drop slower.
>
> You didn't mention anything about this, but one other thing that can cause
> bad tilt performance is improper clearance in the tilt gearbox. Over the
> winter, I reassembled mine without the gasket (used silicone instead),
> making it perhaps 0.3 mm thinner, and it would no longer move at all. I
> had to take it apart again and reinstall the gasket - the preload on the
> clutch is crucial to making it move properly.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ethan Brodsky
>
>
> --
> Ethan Brodsky
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:51:18 -0700
> From: JEFF DOOD <jdood@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - Sterndrive motor drags
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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>
> hey jeff, what's that SeaWay place about?
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Jeff LaCoste wrote:
>
>> Recently my stern drive on my OMC 64 Deluxe started to refuse to
>> drop down or raise itself without a little helping hand from me. I
>> remember hearing that the gear/motor for these were a little lacking
>> on the power. Has anyone on the list experienced this? If so did you
>> fix the unit or replace it? Any idea on the costs of these? I think
>> I could probably get one as SeaWay in Seattle.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Jeff
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:45:03 -0600
> From: <lks@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - Sterndrive motor drags
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
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> Nice overview & technical HOW-TO of the famous OMC Tilt motor and
> hammer-blow shock absorber, Ethan.
>
> When I first read only JEFF's Subject: "..Sterndrive motor drags.." I
> thought we would be reading about holeshots and drag racing I/O's ;)
>
> Lee
>
> PS -- This weekend I discovered how quickly an idling-ingear small block
> Chevy stops with it tangles with a ski rope. It's also nice that the tilt
> motor lifts the prop completely out of the water.
> I managed to get into the water with a sharp knive and free the rope
> without
> having to remove the prop. All in about 10 minutes!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ethan Brodsky" <brodskye@...>
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - Sterndrive motor drags
>
>
>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Jeff LaCoste wrote:
>>> Recently my stern drive on my OMC 64 Deluxe started to refuse to drop
>>> down or raise itself without a little helping hand from me. I
>>> remember hearing that the gear/motor for these were a little lacking
>>> on the power. Has anyone on the list experienced this? If so did you
>>> fix the unit or replace it? Any idea on the costs of these? I think I
>>> could probably get one as SeaWay in Seattle.
>>
>> The first thing to do is check the oil in the tilt gearbox. The oil fill
>> point is the plug in the lower center of your picture. Pull it off and
>> hopefully there will be oil to that level - or if it's like mine it'll be
>> filled to the top with a milky oil water mixture. Either way, squirt
>> some
>> oil in (I've seen various opinions as to whether 10W30 or Type C is
>> recommended) and work it up and down a few times.
>>
>> Replacing the tilt motor is a fairly simple process, though may be
>> somewhat
>> difficult to reach and might require a good set of tools. I needed to
>> modify a hex driver bit to do the inner bolt, as clearance is blocked by
>> the bell housing. That's on a '70 with the 155 hp V-6 - yours might be
>> different. I'm guessing this wouldn't be a problem with a better tools.
>>
>> If you've got the same innards as me, the tilt motor is a Prestolite
>> ETK4102 - I bought mine refurbished for $100 from Finicki's Auto
>> Electric,
>> a local shop (they had it in-stock and, yes, it was marine-rated!). I've
>> seen new ones on ebay for as little as $30, though that requires more
>> patience. They are widely available online for $75-150 or so:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=etk4102
>>
>> If you have it apart, I'd recommend replacing the "hammer-blow coupler"
>> as
>> well - I bought mine from Seaway (#309267) for about $7 shipped. You
>> might
>> destroy the old coupler while removing it, so once you decide to do this
>> you're somewhat committed.
>>
>> Be careful while installing the new motor - the mounting bolts hold the
>> motor end-cap on, so if you tilt it the wrong way, it'll all fall apart.
>> There's probably some pro trick like using tape to hold it together
>> during
>> installation, but I didn't know that. It's pretty annoying to have to
>> fish
>> all the little parts (brushes, springs, gaskets, wave washers, etc...)
>> out
>> of the bilge, and I'm sure getting them wet wasn't great for them. If I
>> had had the right tools and wasn't an idiot about letting it fall apart,
>> I
>> think the swap would've only taken about 15 minutes. Instead I spent
>> about
>> an hour, as I had to do one of the bolts with an open-ended wrench in
>> tiny
>> increments.
>>
>> My old motor was badly corroded inside - I can't remember if I had to
>> return it as a core or if I still have it around, but it didn't look
>> worth
>> fixing.
>>
>> Replacing the tilt motor led to an immediate and vast improvement in tilt
>> performance. It'd been lethargic as long as I'd had the boat and
>> sometimes
>> needed some help, especially if the battery was low or it was cold. Now
>> it
>> instantly flies up and down, so quickly that it often will go all the way
>> to the lower bump stop from a brief push - I've thought of adding an
>> inline
>> resistor to the down relay to make it drop slower.
>>
>> You didn't mention anything about this, but one other thing that can
>> cause
>> bad tilt performance is improper clearance in the tilt gearbox. Over the
>> winter, I reassembled mine without the gasket (used silicone instead),
>> making it perhaps 0.3 mm thinner, and it would no longer move at all. I
>> had to take it apart again and reinstall the gasket - the preload on the
>> clutch is crucial to making it move properly.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Ethan Brodsky
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ethan Brodsky
>> _______________________________________________
>> OMC-Boats mailing list
>> OMC-Boats@...
>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:14:21 -0700
> From: Jeff LaCoste <heavy@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - Sterndrive motor drags
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
> <omc-boats@...>
> Message-ID: <227DE872-D7CA-4161-8784-2C9AAEBA3BF0@...>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Agreed, thanks Ethan. I wish I could write such detailed and helpful
> posts, wow!
>
> Now I have my work cut out for me, I will let you all know what I
> find out.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:45 PM, <lks@...> wrote:
>
>> Nice overview & technical HOW-TO of the famous OMC Tilt motor and
>> hammer-blow shock absorber, Ethan.
>>
>> When I first read only JEFF's Subject: "..Sterndrive motor drags.." I
>> thought we would be reading about holeshots and drag racing I/O's ;)
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> PS -- This weekend I discovered how quickly an idling-ingear small
>> block
>> Chevy stops with it tangles with a ski rope. It's also nice that
>> the tilt
>> motor lifts the prop completely out of the water.
>> I managed to get into the water with a sharp knive and free the
>> rope without
>> having to remove the prop. All in about 10 minutes!
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ethan Brodsky" <brodskye@...>
>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
>> <omc-boats@...>
>> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - Sterndrive motor drags
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Jeff LaCoste wrote:
>>>> Recently my stern drive on my OMC 64 Deluxe started to refuse to
>>>> drop
>>>> down or raise itself without a little helping hand from me. I
>>>> remember hearing that the gear/motor for these were a little lacking
>>>> on the power. Has anyone on the list experienced this? If so did you
>>>> fix the unit or replace it? Any idea on the costs of these? I
>>>> think I
>>>> could probably get one as SeaWay in Seattle.
>>>
>>> The first thing to do is check the oil in the tilt gearbox. The
>>> oil fill
>>> point is the plug in the lower center of your picture. Pull it
>>> off and
>>> hopefully there will be oil to that level - or if it's like mine
>>> it'll be
>>> filled to the top with a milky oil water mixture. Either way,
>>> squirt some
>>> oil in (I've seen various opinions as to whether 10W30 or Type C is
>>> recommended) and work it up and down a few times.
>>>
>>> Replacing the tilt motor is a fairly simple process, though may be
>>> somewhat
>>> difficult to reach and might require a good set of tools. I
>>> needed to
>>> modify a hex driver bit to do the inner bolt, as clearance is
>>> blocked by
>>> the bell housing. That's on a '70 with the 155 hp V-6 - yours
>>> might be
>>> different. I'm guessing this wouldn't be a problem with a better
>>> tools.
>>>
>>> If you've got the same innards as me, the tilt motor is a Prestolite
>>> ETK4102 - I bought mine refurbished for $100 from Finicki's Auto
>>> Electric,
>>> a local shop (they had it in-stock and, yes, it was marine-
>>> rated!). I've
>>> seen new ones on ebay for as little as $30, though that requires more
>>> patience. They are widely available online for $75-150 or so:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=etk4102
>>>
>>> If you have it apart, I'd recommend replacing the "hammer-blow
>>> coupler" as
>>> well - I bought mine from Seaway (#309267) for about $7 shipped. You
>>> might
>>> destroy the old coupler while removing it, so once you decide to
>>> do this
>>> you're somewhat committed.
>>>
>>> Be careful while installing the new motor - the mounting bolts
>>> hold the
>>> motor end-cap on, so if you tilt it the wrong way, it'll all fall
>>> apart.
>>> There's probably some pro trick like using tape to hold it
>>> together during
>>> installation, but I didn't know that. It's pretty annoying to
>>> have to
>>> fish
>>> all the little parts (brushes, springs, gaskets, wave washers,
>>> etc...) out
>>> of the bilge, and I'm sure getting them wet wasn't great for
>>> them. If I
>>> had had the right tools and wasn't an idiot about letting it fall
>>> apart, I
>>> think the swap would've only taken about 15 minutes. Instead I spent
>>> about
>>> an hour, as I had to do one of the bolts with an open-ended wrench
>>> in tiny
>>> increments.
>>>
>>> My old motor was badly corroded inside - I can't remember if I had to
>>> return it as a core or if I still have it around, but it didn't
>>> look worth
>>> fixing.
>>>
>>> Replacing the tilt motor led to an immediate and vast improvement
>>> in tilt
>>> performance. It'd been lethargic as long as I'd had the boat and
>>> sometimes
>>> needed some help, especially if the battery was low or it was
>>> cold. Now
>>> it
>>> instantly flies up and down, so quickly that it often will go all
>>> the way
>>> to the lower bump stop from a brief push - I've thought of adding an
>>> inline
>>> resistor to the down relay to make it drop slower.
>>>
>>> You didn't mention anything about this, but one other thing that
>>> can cause
>>> bad tilt performance is improper clearance in the tilt gearbox.
>>> Over the
>>> winter, I reassembled mine without the gasket (used silicone
>>> instead),
>>> making it perhaps 0.3 mm thinner, and it would no longer move at
>>> all. I
>>> had to take it apart again and reinstall the gasket - the preload
>>> on the
>>> clutch is crucial to making it move properly.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Ethan Brodsky
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ethan Brodsky
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> OMC-Boats@...
>>> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats
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