Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9

WOW! thanks!!! that is a gold mine. even though the omc stuff
only goes back to '68, it's still really helpful - and printable
diagrams too. i will be using that site as my first stop from
here on out.

On Sep 12, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Carl wrote:

> Have you tried boats.net? I ordered some carb parts for a 1966
> Johnson
> Caprice V4 (delivered today) from them. No one else local or on the
> net
> had them. Of the 19 items (mainly gaskets) I ordered, only one was
> out
> of stock. Guess I will try and make that one. They also have the
> original parts illustrations on line so you are pretty sure the part
> you
> are ordering is the correct one.
>
>
> JEFF DOOD wrote:
>> ok - that's what i needed. believe me, i have been to napa, and
>> several other auto parts local places. plus talked to
>> marineparts.com
>> and go2marine.com - no luck. knowing that they interchange
>> gets
>> me on track - in fact i might even be able to find those 77+ gaskets
>> in stock locally today. thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:15 AM, <lks@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> I would think a little research with you and a decent parts counter
>>> man
>>> "might" show that the gaskets you need interchange bewtween the odd-
>>> fire 225
>>> (3.7L) Buick V6 made from 1964 - 1972(?) and the later 231 (3.8L)
>>> even-fire
>>> Buick V6 from 1977-onward.
>>>
>>> Here's a listing of people who know Buick engines inside and out
>>> that should
>>> be helpful. (It's listed on my website).
>>> http://www.hhscott.com/evinrude/buick_v6.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.buickpartsdirectory.com/engine.htm
>>>
>>> Lee Shuster
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "JEFF DOOD" <jdood@...>
>>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
>>> <omc-boats@...>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> thanks for the reply - now i have my boat and it's up to me. so i
>>>> am
>>>> more than ever desperate for whatever info i can get.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Thomas Klauber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I see no reason why you can't make your own gasket - all you
>>>>> need is
>>>>> the
>>>>> proper material and a template such as the old gasket - it is not
>>>>> rocket
>>>>> science - you can buy sheets or rolls of any kind of gasket
>>>>> material
>>>>> at
>>>>> NAPA. You will have to determine what material to use and the
>>>>> proper
>>>>> thickness - the guys behind the NAPA counter usually can help or
>>>>> any
>>>>> oldtime
>>>>> mechanic.
>>>>>
>>>> ok - i can definitely handle making gaskets - no fears about that.
>>>> it's mainly the material and if there's some special marine
>>>> material
>>>> and special marine reasons i need to use it, etc. if typical
>>>> automotive type gasket stuff will work (cork or cardboard or
>>>> whatever), then i can handle that. but if it needs to be
>>>> asbestos
>>>> or some special super heat resistant material, i might be stuck.
>>>> i've just recently dealt with a lot of gasket issues on another
>>>> project (also fixing up a '78 van) and have learned that sometimes
>>>> they need to be pretty specific thicknesses and materials, as you
>>>> said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would not try to make a head gasket which is metal etc.
>>>>>
>>>> so if remove the heads, will the metal ones already in use likely
>>>> survive? everyone always talks about a "blown head gasket" and
>>>> how
>>>> serious it can be. makes me not even want to breath on those
>>>> existing gaskets. but maybe i am being to paranoid. (?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have
>>>>> made many gaskets. Use an Exacto Knife or other razor sharp knife
>>>>> and or
>>>>> scissors and I use can lids etc to trace larger holes and have a
>>>>> leather
>>>>> hole punch set to do the bolt holes.
>>>>>
>>>> gotcha. i am dying to tear into this last little problem asap.
>>>> just didn't want to get stuck in a corner after disassembling
>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Seloc manual suggests rodding the
>>>>> exhaust water logs as they scale up with rust over the years. Did
>>>>> they ever
>>>>> check those? Good luck! TK
>>>>>
>>>> yep - i rodded one, they rodded one. theirs was really bad -
>>>> almost closed. mine not too bad. both all clean now.
>>>>
>>>> took her out for another test drive tonight.....just hoping that
>>>> somehow leaving it sitting for 2 weeks miraculous solved the
>>>> overheating issue. yeah right. didnt. but what fun it
>>>> is to
>>>> take it out, have it start up, idle smooth, and go full
>>>> throttle............albeit for 30 secs at a time. my
>>>> routine is
>>>> go full for about 30 seconds.....then slow way down and rush back
>>>> to
>>>> the engine with my heat sensing gun and point it all over the
>>>> engine. take readings for a minute or so. repeat. did
>>>> that
>>>> for about 15-20 minutes out on the river tonight. was being
>>>> careful
>>>> not to go too long at full throttle.
>>>>
>>>> still the same deal, but more to add. right manifold reads
>>>> around 90. left around 150. water pump around 160. therm
>>>> housing around 160. but here's where it gets weird.........#1
>>>> cylinder about 210. and the #2 cylinder on the other side - GOT
>>>> UP
>>>> TO 250 ON LAST RUN! so not only is it the #1 that appears to
>>>> have
>>>> some blockage issue, it's also the one on the other side too.
>>>> both
>>>> front cylinders. i point my gun at the intake manifold above
>>>> each. and then the bolt on the head right at each. that #2
>>>> bolt
>>>> read 250 more than once. it's actually getting hotter than the
>>>> other side. then i point it at the other cylinders and the
>>>> temp
>>>> goes down to the 170 range. That 250 reading made me head
>>>> back to
>>>> the dock. but maybe i am overreacting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> so many questions.
>>>>
>>>> 1) this may be stupid, but just to confirm, 250 is dangerously
>>>> hot
>>>> - right? or is that normal for those front cylinders?
>>>>
>>>> 2) at what temp does severe damage happen - like a crack? i keep
>>>> thinking of all the metal / cast iron stuff that goes in a
>>>> household
>>>> baking oven - griddles, broiler grates, cookie sheets, etc. and
>>>> that stuff withstands 500+ degrees. so when does a block reach
>>>> it's
>>>> limit typically?
>>>>
>>>> 3) Is there a way to check and see if i have water flowing around
>>>> those front cylinders WITHOUT have to disamantle everything?
>>>> can i
>>>> take off the thermostat thing and squirt water through there
>>>> somehow?
>>>>
>>>> jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <omc-boats-request@...>
>>>>> To: <omc-boats@...>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 17, Issue 9
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>> 1. intake manifold/head gaskets (JEFF DOOD)
>>>>>> 2. paint (000000000 kennedy construction)
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:10:06 -0700
>>>>>> From: JEFF DOOD <jdood@...>
>>>>>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] intake manifold/head gaskets
>>>>>> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
>>>>>> <omc-boats@...>
>>>>>> Message-ID: <6753E974-6963-42D4-B149-7C4192E233D8@...>
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>>>>>> delsp=yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the overheating issue is now narrowed way down. in fact, i
>>>>>> have my
>>>>>> boat back in my shop now and am going to try and do stuff myself
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> here on out. it's running pretty good, but still overheating
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> little spot on the engine - right at the "1" stamp on the intake
>>>>>> manifold over the #1 cylinder. that spot consistantly reads
>>>>>> 200-220
>>>>>> on the heat gun when testing out on the water. everywhere else
>>>>>> seems
>>>>>> to read normal temps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so i have to embark on a little exploration surgery here and
>>>>>> see if
>>>>>> there's some sort of blockage right there in the #1 cylinder
>>>>>> area. which means taking off the intake manifold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which means a new gasket, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> same with the cylinder heads?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any chance the existing gaskets can survive, if i am really
>>>>>> careful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the idea with both those gaskets is complete air and water
>>>>>> tightness, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so even a pin sized leak can be bad, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i have no problem buying gaskets, but surprise surprise - not
>>>>>> seeming
>>>>>> to be readlly available. part of the problem is not knowing
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> which year engine i have. boat, '64. engine - who knows.
>>>>>> Buick
>>>>>> v-6 155 around '70 i'm told.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, unless i am missing something, i can't know that the
>>>>>> gaskets
>>>>>> i've ordered will fit (providing i can even find them), unless i
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> the intake manifold off - at which point i will have trashed my
>>>>>> existing gasket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i don't want to get into a situation where i have the engine
>>>>>> disassembled and can't find gaskets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can those gaskets be custom made by hand as a backup last resort?
>>>>>> cork? ???? i can't find the blockage unless i get in
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> and look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks! jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:48:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>>> From: 000000000 kennedy construction <halkenbuild@...>
>>>>>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] paint
>>>>>> To: omc-boats@...
>>>>>> Message-ID: <230261.4930.qm@...>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> does anyone have the awlgrip paint code for a blue-green 1965 17'
>>>>>> delux
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