Wholy cow i checked 3 spots and they want 60-75 bucks fro a belt !!
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> 1. Re: OMC Deluxe 'Mystique' (dan)
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> 3. Re: V4 omc engine id location & belt question (ANDY PERAKES)
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> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:03:30 -0700
> From: "dan" <dbjt@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC Deluxe 'Mystique'
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> right on..... dan
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> From: "jd" <jdood@...>
> To: "Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's"
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC Deluxe 'Mystique'
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> .........just wish they had thought about the fact that water would
> seep through any bolt holes in the floorboard and saturate the
> foam . ;)
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> On May 13, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Lee Shuster wrote:
>
>> Good journalists never reveal their sources. Let's just say old "Deep
>> Throat" knows all and leave it at that.
>>
>> (You should probably get a copy of the book Evinrude-Johnson and The
>> Legend of OMC by Jeffrey L. Rodengen which has a few pages of interest.)
>>
>> I'm just barely old enough to remember the recreational boating scene of
>> the fifties and sixties. My first "real" (summer) job was at our local
>> Evinrude dealer from 1965 to 1968, with the job of rigging and prepping
>> new boats for customers. Evinrude boats were something really fresh and
>> new in their approach.
>>
>> OMC dominated the post WW II market with their outboards. Much like GM
>> did in the automotive field. Few others had the resources and vision to
>> build turn-key, integrated package (Motor, trailer, ready- rigged) boats.
>> Scott-Atwater (McCulloch) tried around 1961-63, but mainly you had to be
>> able to afford a "luxury" wood inboard runabout like a Chris-Craft or
>> other lesser-known make. Essentially, these were never considered worthy
>> competitors in any sense of the word. You were also at the mercy of
>> dealers to put your so-called "turn- key" package together. Dealers would
>> shave corners to save a dime and put flimsy light-weight trailers or not
>> include essential safety items. Few boats got comprehensive instruments,
>> mooring covers, bimini tops, etc.
>>
>> In the recession of 1958 (nothing like today's) OMC introduced their big
>> V-4 outboard, originally at 50 hp but by 1960 it was at 75 hp. Mercury
>> (Carl Kiekhafer) upped the power ante with the mighty "Black Tower of
>> Power" 100 hp six in 1962. But OMC was a cash-rich company looking for
>> ways to expand. They bought up other companies (Cushman and Lawn-Boy
>> spring to mind) where it made sense and expanded into areas where they
>> could use their core expertise. The sterndrive was re-introduced in
>> 1959-60 on a small scale by Volvo-Penta and MerCruiser soon followed.
>> OMC
>> literally designed the Deluxe 17 to accommodate either outboard power
>> (in
>> single or dual configs) but I think they saw the opportunity to really
>> showcase their new 480 sterndrive.
>>
>> The justification was pretty simple actually, but hard to understand
>> from
>> today's perspective. OMC wanted to be the first to bring high
>> manufacturing and design standards to build boats that were as easy and
>> safe to operate as the automobiles of the day. The company was
>> completely
>> behind the project and agreed to build the type of "complete"
>> people-friendly boat they envisioned the upper average middle class
>> family want want and afford. Eventually other boat companies began
>> introducing sterndrive variants. Larson called their "Comboards." OMC
>> realized the future
>>
>> If you think the performance was mediocre go back in time. I'd beg to
>> differ and call it outstanding (Duals would top 40+ mph) when most
>> (outboard) family runabouts would top out in the 32 to 37 mph range. To
>> package 176 hp in a family runabout back then was hot. (And the single
>> engine or outboard performance wasn't shabby either). This is especially
>> amazing when you consider the attention paid to stability, comfort,
>> usable room, safety and rugged quality construction. You don't need to
>> take my word, read the introductory brochures and boat tests that Phil
>> and I have posted:
>> http://www.ultimate.com/omc-boats/gallery/lee.shuster/1964guide/3a.jpg
>>
>> So I can see why, in today's "throw-away" society these boats seem out
>> of
>> place and difficult to restore. But these guys were not out on a limb.
>> In
>> fact, even when they decided to leave the boat business they had
>> established themselves as the leader in sterndrives which they
>> maintained
>> for about another decade.
>>
>> lee shuster
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: omc-boats-bounces@...
>> [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@... ] On Behalf Of Kim Foster
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:26 PM
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] OMC Deluxe 'Mystique'
>>
>> Lee - Once, again, great info! So how did you sleuth this out? This is,
>> again, clear evidence that no amount of engineering or production money
>> was questioned on the Deluxe's...even the trailers... Ultimately there
>> had to be someone - or some force - within OMC that was authorizing
>> these
>> tremendous costs just to produce a rather mediocre performing (from a
>> speed standpoint) runabout. Was there a meglomaniac project manager,
>> board member, company officer driving this? Was there an underlying
>> competition going on with another manufacturer? Do you know any
>> specifics - or have you formulated an opinion - on just what the
>> justification for all of this was?
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> From: lee.k.shuster@...
>> To: omc-boats@...
>> Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:05:03 -0600
>> Subject: [OMC-Boats] OMC Myth Busted -- The Deluxe 17 and Sweet 16
>> Windshield Origin
>>
>> Okay guys -- after years of hearing this OMC "urban legend" or myth
>> about
>> the Deluxe 17 windshield design originating in Detroit I decided to do
>> some additional research. Here are my findings:
>>
>> The unique OMC 17 Deluxe - Sweet 16 windshield was made expressly for
>> OMC
>> by Pittsburgh Plate Glass Company. The unique industrial design work was
>> by Myron Stevens, OMC in-house designer, who joined OMC from Brooks
>> Stevens Associates in Milwaukee (no family relation to Brooks). You will
>> recall Brooks Stevens did Evinrude's product styling and logo designs
>> for
>> many years. See: http://hhscott.com/evinrude/brooks_stevens.htm
>>
>> The tooling for forming the Deluxe 17 - Sweet 16 windshield (USA
>> market-only*), was designed, funded and owned by OMC and used by PPG in
>> their Pittsburg, PA plants to produce the OMC USA-market windshields.
>> The
>> windshield was made of "float" plate glass ( a process relatively new in
>> 1960), in which the molten glass is floated on a pan of molten lead and
>> allowed to solidify there, producing a smooth surface and optically
>> uniform thickness, just like ground and polished plate glass. This is a
>> very touchy process in which the glass (in a plastic state, maintained
>> by
>> gas flame heat), is laid on a flex frame which warps the glass into its
>> unique curved "sagged" shape and then is rapidly cooled by air jets to
>> temper it. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Float_glass
>>
>> The tubular stainless steel perimeter molding was installed by another
>> company with a rubber insert all around that was bonded right to the
>> glass to protect the edge of the windshield. This was needed so the ball
>> sockets for the tilting pivots could be welded right to the molding
>> before it was put on. Windshields were shipped from Pittsburg, PA
>> eventually making their way to Waukegan, IL for final assembly.
>>
>> It is important to point out that these marine-application windshields
>> were manufactured of non-laminated tempered safety glass, which cannot
>> be
>> used in the U.S. for automotive windshields. Automotive laminated plate
>> glass has been mandatory since 1927, which has a thin layer of flexible
>> clear plastic film called polyvinyl butyral (PVB) sandwiched between two
>> or more pieces of glass.
>>
>> So, for the OMC Deluxe 17 - Sweet 16 marine windshield THERE NEVER WAS A
>> CONNECTION WITH ANY AUTOMOTIVE WINDSHIELD, though some of the same
>> manufacturing processes were used for both, but DEFINITELY not the same
>> shape.
>>
>> Next time you have your Deluxe 17 or Sweet 16 out, enjoy the view. Take
>> extremely good care of that rare piece of glass; as it will be hard to
>> come by a replacement. The re-tooling costs to reproduce this baby would
>> definitely be astronomical!
>>
>> Myth most definitely busted!!
>>
>> * Canadian market, Peterbourgh-built boats used Plexiglas windshields
>>
>> Lee Shuster
>> OMC Boats Myth Buster
>>
>> Keep 'en floatin'
>>
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> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:21:10 -0500
> From: "Kyle" <chickenboy20@...>
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] V4 omc engine id location & belt question
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> Boat is a 17 deluxe
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> Where on the engine is the id no ?? Iv looked everywhere exept where it
> is.
>
> Also i cant seenm to find the Darn timing belt for it. Ive looked
> everyewhere and cant find one. Iv broad'nd my serch to jhonson and evinrue
> but to no avail. Could some one help with that too? And please Be kind im
> just learning how to use the form on here. The No. on the belt is 309432.
> If some one knows what the cross reference no would be please let me know
> !!
>
> Thanks
> kyle
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> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:29:51 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ANDY PERAKES <aperakes@...>
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> Hi, Kyle.? I'm not sure about the engine ID, but I can tell you I've had
> pretty good luck just searching on the internet for OMC part #s.? I didn't
> do an extensive search for you, but a quick search for "309432 belt" got
> me a quick hit at:? http://www.yancypowersports.com/OMC%20inv.htm .?
> There's probably others, but I figure you can take it from there.
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> Subject: [OMC-Boats] V4 omc engine id location & belt question
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> Boat is a 17 deluxe
>
> Where on the engine is the id no ?? Iv looked everywhere exept where it
> is.
>
> Also i cant seenm to find the Darn timing belt for it. Ive looked
> everyewhere and cant find one. Iv broad'nd my serch to jhonson and evinrue
> but to no avail. Could some one help with that too? And please Be kind im
> just learning how to use the form on here. The No. on the belt is 309432.
> If some one knows what the cross reference no would be please let me know
> !!
>
> Thanks
> kyle
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