Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... from Scott Veazie on 2009-09-21 (OMC-Boats Mailing List Archive)

From: Scott Veazie <scottveazie@...>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:57:43 -0700

Hey Jeff,

Let me know if you need an extra set of eyeballs to look things over..I've always found that someone to do a quick look over can find something simple that I miss on my own..

~Scott

> From: jdood@...
> To: omc-boats@...
> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:45:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>
> well actually here's the latest from my oil leak saga (had this all
> typed up but i think it didn't send - sorry if duplicate):
>
> bought 5 qts and poured the first qt into my nice clean engine.
> Literally as I'm pouring it in, its coming back out somewhere and
> going into my nice clean bilge! And where was it coming from? The
> lower edge of the port side valve cover, going behind the metal
> exhaust manifold gasket, against the black engine backround, and
> down to the bilge. The reason? In the spirit of getting things
> stock OMC where possible, I used some extra stock OMC nuts with the
> oblong washers attached instead of the regular nuts someone had on
> there previous. Thought it would seal better with those washers
> too. They felt fine tightening down - didn't notice anything
> weird. Yet what I felt was tight was actually leaving a nice gap
> hiding under the lower side, enough to let 4 qts out. As best as I
> can figure I guess someone must have stripped and re-tapped those
> holes at some point because the threads are just slightly different
> than original. I put the regular nuts back in and they went in
> slightly deeper and sealed everything right up. Jeez! Almost a
> disaster. I hate the fact that I was driving around awhile with
> barely any oil. Nothing seized that day though. And although
> I've never been through it, my understanding is that is pretty much
> the main symptom of extremely low oil - engine seizure. So i'm
> hoping because that didn't happen, I'm still ok. Not sure why it
> had to get all the way down to practically zero before the light came
> on.
>
> Anyway, on that day, something else was happening on occasion -
> something i think was happening to someone else on the list in the
> past few days. I would be accelerating, get to about 1/2 plane,
> and all power would just drop to zero. Much like your foot slipping
> off the gas pedal by accident in a car or something. Engine didn't
> stall, just went back to idle - still in gear. So after getting
> the oil leak solved and everything filled back up yesterday - i went
> for a little test run. Now that occasional problem is happening
> consistently. Got up on plane a couple times, but generally, it
> would do it. Just all the sudden no gas or acceleration. I
> really hope (and don't' think) it has anything to do with the oil
> situation. I think it's some new independent prob - coincidentally
> coming up now just to confuse me. It almost seemed electrical -
> although the engine almost always kept running after dropping down.
>
> So I limped back to dock and am pretty much gonna call it a season.
> In the coming weeks I;m going to get a new carb on there, replace my
> throttle switch with one of those new ones being made, then give it
> another test. Hopefully before it gets too cold.
>
> Jeff D
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Justin DeSantis wrote:
>
> > Not sure how helpful it would be in this application, but there's a
> > method for finding leaks on motorcycles I've used for years. Taught to
> > me by a crusty old timer. Get the area of the oil leak good and clean.
> > Use degreaser and remove all the oil. Not get yourself some athletes
> > foot spray. It sprays as an aerosol and drys as a white powder. spray
> > it on all the seams that may be leaking. When the oil leaks through
> > again, it wets the powder and turns it black in the area of the leak.
> > Makes it easy to spot.
> >
> > I tried everything once to locate the leak on a brand new Harley
> > Sportster. Found it with the spray. It was leaking right through the
> > engine case. Bad casting from the factory.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, BC Howk <bchowk@...> wrote:
> >> A few places
> >>
> >> -Head gasket
> >> -timing cover
> >> -rear main seal
> >>
> >> Check with your auto parts store but I believe they have oil
> >> additive that
> >> is flourescent (glows real bright under a black light) they make
> >> the stuff
> >> for just this occurance (need to track the source of an oil leak.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> B.C.
> >>
> >> On Sep 20, 2009, jd <jdood@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Setting aside my carb fit issue, today's to do list has one thing
> >> on it - figuring out how about 4 qts of oil ended up in my bilge
> >> during my last outing! Everything seemed to be going well. Had
> >> done a 20 min test earlier that day - no probs. Took it out for a
> >> real run with the GF later that day. At one point the oil light
> >> started coming on - turned off immediately and poked around back at
> >> the engine. Oil all over the bilge area. But nothing obvious. A
> >> small drip from one spot on the valve cover gasket - but really
> >> small. It looked like just enough on the dipstick to get back with
> >> so that's what we did later.
> >>
> >> So now a week later the engine and bilge are all cleaned up (2 hr
> >> messy job). And Im heading off to buy 4-5 qts of oil and go for a
> >> little test run and see what I can see. I don't get how that
> >> much oil could come out of the engine and it not be an obvious
> >> thing. So hopefully with the cowling off I will be able to spot
> >> it. Jeez - another close call - almost fried my engine.
> >>
> >> So here's my question - just to see if I'm missing something. The
> >> only places oil could be "leaking" out on the engine would be
> >>
> >> - valve covers
> >> - oil pan
> >> - dipstick tube and / or fill tube where it connects to the block
> >> - seal around base of distributor
> >>
> >> right? am i forgetting somewhere?
> >>
> >> Note to self: A black engine and a black bilge make it very
> >> difficult to spot oil leaks on a bright sunny day. Hoping to be
> >> able to paint my engine a lighter color this winter.
> >>
> >> Jeff D
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Hey Jeff, Let me know if you need an extra set of eyeballs to look things over..I've always found that someone to do a quick look over can find something simple that I miss on my own.. ~Scott > From: jdood@... > To: omc-boats@... > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:45:07 -0700 > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... > > well actually here's the latest from my oil leak saga (had this all > typed up but i think it didn't send - sorry if duplicate): > > bought 5 qts and poured the first qt into my nice clean engine. > Literally as I'm pouring it in, its coming back out somewhere and > going into my nice clean bilge! And where was it coming from? The > lower edge of the port side valve cover, going behind the metal > exhaust manifold gasket, against the black engine backround, and > down to the bilge. The reason? In the spirit of getting things > stock OMC where possible, I used some extra stock OMC nuts with the > oblong washers attached instead of the regular nuts someone had on > there previous. Thought it would seal better with those washers > too. They felt fine tightening down - didn't notice anything > weird. Yet what I felt was tight was actually leaving a nice gap > hiding under the lower side, enough to let 4 qts out. As best as I > can figure I guess someone must have stripped and re-tapped those > holes at some point because the threads are just slightly different > than original. I put the regular nuts back in and they went in > slightly deeper and sealed everything right up. Jeez! Almost a > disaster. I hate the fact that I was driving around awhile with > barely any oil. Nothing seized that day though. And although > I've never been through it, my understanding is that is pretty much > the main symptom of extremely low oil - engine seizure. So i'm > hoping because that didn't happen, I'm still ok. Not sure why it > had to get all the way down to practically zero before the light came > on. > > Anyway, on that day, something else was happening on occasion - > something i think was happening to someone else on the list in the > past few days. I would be accelerating, get to about 1/2 plane, > and all power would just drop to zero. Much like your foot slipping > off the gas pedal by accident in a car or something. Engine didn't > stall, just went back to idle - still in gear. So after getting > the oil leak solved and everything filled back up yesterday - i went > for a little test run. Now that occasional problem is happening > consistently. Got up on plane a couple times, but generally, it > would do it. Just all the sudden no gas or acceleration. I > really hope (and don't' think) it has anything to do with the oil > situation. I think it's some new independent prob - coincidentally > coming up now just to confuse me. It almost seemed electrical - > although the engine almost always kept running after dropping down. > > So I limped back to dock and am pretty much gonna call it a season. > In the coming weeks I;m going to get a new carb on there, replace my > throttle switch with one of those new ones being made, then give it > another test. Hopefully before it gets too cold. > > Jeff D > > > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Justin DeSantis wrote: > > > Not sure how helpful it would be in this application, but there's a > > method for finding leaks on motorcycles I've used for years. Taught to > > me by a crusty old timer. Get the area of the oil leak good and clean. > > Use degreaser and remove all the oil. Not get yourself some athletes > > foot spray. It sprays as an aerosol and drys as a white powder. spray > > it on all the seams that may be leaking. When the oil leaks through > > again, it wets the powder and turns it black in the area of the leak. > > Makes it easy to spot. > > > > I tried everything once to locate the leak on a brand new Harley > > Sportster. Found it with the spray. It was leaking right through the > > engine case. Bad casting from the factory. > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, BC Howk <bchowk@...> wrote: > >> A few places > >> > >> -Head gasket > >> -timing cover > >> -rear main seal > >> > >> Check with your auto parts store but I believe they have oil > >> additive that > >> is flourescent (glows real bright under a black light) they make > >> the stuff > >> for just this occurance (need to track the source of an oil leak. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> B.C. > >> > >> On Sep 20, 2009, jd <jdood@...> wrote: > >> > >> Setting aside my carb fit issue, today's to do list has one thing > >> on it - figuring out how about 4 qts of oil ended up in my bilge > >> during my last outing! Everything seemed to be going well. Had > >> done a 20 min test earlier that day - no probs. Took it out for a > >> real run with the GF later that day. At one point the oil light > >> started coming on - turned off immediately and poked around back at > >> the engine. Oil all over the bilge area. But nothing obvious. A > >> small drip from one spot on the valve cover gasket - but really > >> small. It looked like just enough on the dipstick to get back with > >> so that's what we did later. > >> > >> So now a week later the engine and bilge are all cleaned up (2 hr > >> messy job). And Im heading off to buy 4-5 qts of oil and go for a > >> little test run and see what I can see. I don't get how that > >> much oil could come out of the engine and it not be an obvious > >> thing. So hopefully with the cowling off I will be able to spot > >> it. Jeez - another close call - almost fried my engine. > >> > >> So here's my question - just to see if I'm missing something. The > >> only places oil could be "leaking" out on the engine would be > >> > >> - valve covers > >> - oil pan > >> - dipstick tube and / or fill tube where it connects to the block > >> - seal around base of distributor > >> > >> right? am i forgetting somewhere? > >> > >> Note to self: A black engine and a black bilge make it very > >> difficult to spot oil leaks on a bright sunny day. Hoping to be > >> able to paint my engine a lighter color this winter. > >> > >> Jeff D > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OMC-Boats mailing list > >> OMC-Boats@... > >> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> OMC-Boats mailing list > >> OMC-Boats@... > >> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > OMC-Boats mailing list > > OMC-Boats@... > > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > > _______________________________________________ > OMC-Boats mailing list > OMC-Boats@... > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats <hr />Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. <a href='http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPG&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1' target='_new'>Try Bing™ now</a></body>
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