Yes, tight quarters. I bought a ratcheting open end wrench set JUST because of the inner bolt on this motor. Easy once you have that. I don't think there was enough room for even a 1/4 drive ratchet, at least in my hand.
Worth rebuilding the motor once, mine has been far more reliable since. If you can't find an alternator/starter motor rebuilding shop locally, post back and I can give u an address to ship to.
I think mine failed due to leaking seal on the cover, seems pretty common.
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Micah Donahue
MECHANICA
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> 1. Re: Outdrive lift problems (William Howk)
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> 3. Re: Outdrive lift problems (BLDFW)
> 4. Re: OMC-Boats Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 (tklauber@bellsouth.net)
> Very common, mine was sporatic for a while too....There really is not that much to the system once you dig in...the good news is that if it is moving sprotically, my guess would be that the worm gear, hammer coupling, tilt clutch, etc.etc are OK ,beyond that, there are only a few simple electrical things that it can be.
>
> You already touched on the first suspect, weak battery. Make sure your battery is strong.
>
> Next thing of course would be, make sure all the conections are tight and clean. Don't forget to look at the ground lugs, solenoid connections and make sure the connections on your strong battery are clean and tight.
>
> If you are getting a clicking out of the solenoids I would tend not to suspect them but if you have a meter and a buddy they are pretty easy to check.
>
> OK so if you have a strong battery, all your connections are good and clean, and the solenoids are working. There is only one more thing, the tilt motor itself. as I recall it is all pretty simple 12 volts on the green wire and the motor spins one direction 12 volts on the blue and the motor spins the other direction. If yours is acting up try giving it a bump in the opposite direction, then back the direction you want to go, maybe it will unstick it? If that doesn't work, I always reccommend you have a rachet and socket on hand to take off the quadrant gear (9/16 if I recall correctly). If all else fails you can take off that quadrant gear and move the outdrive by hand, then bolt the gear back on when you have the drive where you want it....Why let something like a tilt ruin your day?
>
> I have heard of some folks rebuilding the tilt motors themselves, you CAN find them on line....I replaced the motor on mine and it was a pain to do because of the tight quarters but if I can do it so can you!
>
> Good luck!
> B.C.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, BLDFW <bldfw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy folks,
>
> Got my Explorer out after it's sitting for a year and a half in the back corner of the carport. I'm having some sporadic outdrive lift problems and soliciting opinions on what I might look for when troubleshooting.
>
> Previously, I've never had any problems with the raising or lowering the outdrive. In the last couple of days, it's not been working properly. I'm thinking it's more solenoid related but not sure. When I first stored it the summer before last, I made sure the outdrive was down. The other day when I tried to lift it the solenoid would just clicke. Eventually I could get the drive to lift but then not go down. After clicking the solenoids a few time the outdrive would drop down and then it seem to work fine up or down. Today, after towing it 65mi to the lake, it decided to not work again. The solenoids would click but the lift motor would do nothing. I had a friend looking at with me. Suddenly the outdrived dropped about 3/4 down. It would have gone all the way down had I not let off the switch but I'm not fond of letting it bang all the way down. Not the outdrive is stuck in the 3/4 down and inspite of my initial playing around with it, it still doesn't do anything but click the solenoids. The battery is good and fully charged.
>
> I replaced the solenoids 2 years ago when I finished restoring the interior. It is possible they have gone bad?
>
> Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated. I'd sure like to get her out on the lake this weekend.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill
> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
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> Paul,
> I pulled the manual that came with the boat but it's not for the right year. It does show the hand wheel crank but there is no such thing on my boat. I looked at the end of the drive motor and it did not look like it was missing the crank as the cap at the end of motor only had smooth outward cast bulges, no shaft for a hand wheel to attach too.
>
> That doesn't sound normal and it's definitely odd that there is not a means then to manually adjust the lift.
>
> This ring a bell with anyone else?
>
> -Bill
> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
>
> From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@gmail.com>
> To: BLDFW <bldfw@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Outdrive lift problems
>
> I just went through a similar scenario with my 67 Sportsman. Following Lee Shuster's advice I started by checking connections and wiring. I replaced some corroded wires and the solenoids while I was at it. No help. Eventually I found that one of the new solenoids was bad; still no go. I bench tested the lift motor and eventually found it had a dead spot, that is, when stopped at one or more certain positions the motor won't restart even when directly wired to the battery. Manually turning the shaft a quarter turn or so and powering up and that motor worked. This is consistent with some of the sporadic operation you describe and that I had experienced. When on the water last year I found that using the hand wheel to turn the motor a bit allowed the motor to operate. I never had a problem with down but up was intermitent but perhaps that had something to do with the power requirements of the two operations.
> You could try using the hand wheel to get on the water this weekend if you don't anticipate needing to lift frequently - its a bit of a pained but....
> I will be dropping my motor off for rebuild later today but I have a back up boat in my 66 Sportsman.
> Paul
> On Jul 4, 2012 11:03 PM, "BLDFW" <bldfw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy folks,
>
> Got my Explorer out after it's sitting for a year and a half in the back corner of the carport. I'm having some sporadic outdrive lift problems and soliciting opinions on what I might look for when troubleshooting.
>
> Previously, I've never had any problems with the raising or lowering the outdrive. In the last couple of days, it's not been working properly. I'm thinking it's more solenoid related but not sure. When I first stored it the summer before last, I made sure the outdrive was down. The other day when I tried to lift it the solenoid would just clicke. Eventually I could get the drive to lift but then not go down. After clicking the solenoids a few time the outdrive would drop down and then it seem to work fine up or down. Today, after towing it 65mi to the lake, it decided to not work again. The solenoids would click but the lift motor would do nothing. I had a friend looking at with me. Suddenly the outdrived dropped about 3/4 down. It would have gone all the way down had I not let off the switch but I'm not fond of letting it bang all the way down. Not the outdrive is stuck in the 3/4 down and inspite of my initial playing around with it, it still doesn't do anything but click the solenoids. The battery is good and fully charged.
>
> I replaced the solenoids 2 years ago when I finished restoring the interior. It is possible they have gone bad?
>
> Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated. I'd sure like to get her out on the lake this weekend.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill
> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
>
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> Thanks BC!
>
> Paul offered some good insight too which would have been an easy temporary resolution; turning the hand wheel, but my motor does not have one and it doesn't look like it ever did. I agree the next step would be to temporarily remove the quadrant to get it down and in place and then worry about it later when I get ready to pull it out.
>
> In the meantime, if anyone else has any additional experiences and/or suggestions I'd sure appreciate it!
>
> Always something!
>
> -Bill
> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> From: William Howk <bchowk@gmail.com>
> To: BLDFW <bldfw@yahoo.com>
> Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@lists.ultimate.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Outdrive lift problems
>
> Very common, mine was sporatic for a while too....There really is not that much to the system once you dig in...the good news is that if it is moving sprotically, my guess would be that the worm gear, hammer coupling, tilt clutch, etc.etc are OK ,beyond that, there are only a few simple electrical things that it can be.
>
> You already touched on the first suspect, weak battery. Make sure your battery is strong.
>
> Next thing of course would be, make sure all the conections are tight and clean. Don't forget to look at the ground lugs, solenoid connections and make sure the connections on your strong battery are clean and tight.
>
> If you are getting a clicking out of the solenoids I would tend not to suspect them but if you have a meter and a buddy they are pretty easy to check.
>
> OK so if you have a strong battery, all your connections are good and clean, and the solenoids are working. There is only one more thing, the tilt motor itself. as I recall it is all pretty simple 12 volts on the green wire and the motor spins one direction 12 volts on the blue and the motor spins the other direction. If yours is acting up try giving it a bump in the opposite direction, then back the direction you want to go, maybe it will unstick it? If that doesn't work, I always reccommend you have a rachet and socket on hand to take off the quadrant gear (9/16 if I recall correctly). If all else fails you can take off that quadrant gear and move the outdrive by hand, then bolt the gear back on when you have the drive where you want it....Why let something like a tilt ruin your day?
>
> I have heard of some folks rebuilding the tilt motors themselves, you CAN find them on line....I replaced the motor on mine and it was a pain to do because of the tight quarters but if I can do it so can you!
>
> Good luck!
> B.C.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM, BLDFW <bldfw@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Howdy folks,
>
> Got my Explorer out after it's sitting for a year and a half in the back corner of the carport. I'm having some sporadic outdrive lift problems and soliciting opinions on what I might look for when troubleshooting.
>
> Previously, I've never had any problems with the raising or lowering the outdrive. In the last couple of days, it's not been working properly. I'm thinking it's more solenoid related but not sure. When I first stored it the summer before last, I made sure the outdrive was down. The other day when I tried to lift it the solenoid would just clicke. Eventually I could get the drive to lift but then not go down. After clicking the solenoids a few time the outdrive would drop down and then it seem to work fine up or down. Today, after towing it 65mi to the lake, it decided to not work again. The solenoids would click but the lift motor would do nothing. I had a friend looking at with me. Suddenly the outdrived dropped about 3/4 down. It would have gone all the way down had I not let off the switch but I'm not fond of letting it bang all the way down. Not the outdrive is stuck in the 3/4 down and inspite of my initial playing around with it, it still doesn't do anything but click the solenoids. The battery is good and fully charged.
>
> I replaced the solenoids 2 years ago when I finished restoring the interior. It is possible they have gone bad?
>
> Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated. I'd sure like to get her out on the lake this weekend.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill
> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
>
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> Check the switch at the dash. The contacts in the switch can corrode like points on a distributor. I would bypass the switch to test. I have pulled the switch out of the panel and removed wires and touch together to work. Protect your hands. The wires to the switch will be hard to budge if they have been sitting 40 years or so. I have gone through all switches in the panel and cleaned the contacts and lubed with dielectric grease. I have never seen an old solenoid go bad yet but do not doubt that they can and will and that I probably jinxed myself by saying that but I wouldn't trust the new stuff they make these days. Quality control is long gone. You can always remove the bolts to the quadrant gear end of day and prop up the stern drive with a small piece of 2x4 - not great but it beats a skeg dragging on a bump like at the driveway or gas station. Been there - done that. Duct tape it in place if you have to. You know there is a heat sensor in the tilt motor to shut it off after too much use. Taking the Rogue out tomorrow on the Waccamaw. My older daughter wants to ski. Tom K.
>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 20:49:48 -0700 (PDT)
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> Howdy folks,
>
> Got my Explorer out after it's sitting for a year and a half in the back corner of the carport.? I'm having some sporadic outdrive lift problems and soliciting opinions on what I might look for when troubleshooting.
>
> Previously, I've never had any problems with the raising or lowering the outdrive.? In the last couple of days, it's not been working properly.? I'm thinking it's more solenoid related but not sure.? When I first stored it the summer before last, I made sure the outdrive was down.? The other day when I tried to lift it the solenoid would just clicke.? Eventually I could get the drive to lift but then not go down.? After clicking the solenoids a few time the outdrive would drop down and then it seem to work fine up or down.? Today, after towing it 65mi to the lake, it decided to not work again.? The solenoids would click but the lift motor would do nothing.? I had a friend looking at with me.? Suddenly the outdrived dropped about 3/4 down.? It would have gone all the way down had I not let off the switch but I'm not fond of letting it bang all the way down.? Not the outdrive is stuck in the 3/4 down and inspite of my initial playing around
> with it, it still doesn't do anything but click the solenoids.? The battery is good and fully charged.
>
> I replaced the solenoids 2 years ago when I finished restoring the interior.? It is possible they have gone bad?
>
>
> Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated.? I'd sure like to get her out on the lake this weekend.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Bill
> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
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> From: Joey Connor <joeyskaraoke@aol.com>
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> I'm having same exact problem!
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> On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:49 PM, BLDFW <bldfw@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks,
>>
>> Got my Explorer out after it's sitting for a year and a half in the back corner of the carport. I'm having some sporadic outdrive lift problems and soliciting opinions on what I might look for when troubleshooting.
>>
>> Previously, I've never had any problems with the raising or lowering the outdrive. In the last couple of days, it's not been working properly. I'm thinking it's more solenoid related but not sure. When I first stored it the summer before last, I made sure the outdrive was down. The other day when I tried to lift it the solenoid would just clicke. Eventually I could get the drive to lift but then not go down. After clicking the solenoids a few time the outdrive would drop down and then it seem to work fine up or down. Today, after towing it 65mi to the lake, it decided to not work again. The solenoids would click but the lift motor would do nothing. I had a friend looking at with me. Suddenly the outdrived dropped about 3/4 down. It would have gone all the way down had I not let off the switch but I'm not fond of letting it bang all the way down. Not the outdrive is stuck in the 3/4 down and inspite of my initial playing around with it, it still doesn't do anyth!
> ing but click the solenoids. The battery is good and fully charged.
>>
>> I replaced the solenoids 2 years ago when I finished restoring the interior. It is possible they have gone bad?
>>
>> Any thoughts you might have would be appreciated. I'd sure like to get her out on the lake this weekend.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Bill
>> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
>> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
>> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
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