Re: [OMC-Boats] "E" Emblems

Scott, Maybe if I get this mold thing figured out we can get together and get some made for folks who need them. ----- Original Message -----
> All of my side emblems (flags, scripts) are intact on my '68
> Sportsman.
> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:43:40 +0000
> From: hoggar@...
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] "E" Emblems
> Does any one have an intact one of these emblems?
> I am currently trying to make a new lens for the back of my Surfer
> using this technique
> http://www.alumilite.com/howtos/TailLightMoldingNoEquipment.cfm
> Ill post up pictures on OMCBoats.org << " Corrected URL " when I get
> the first lens out.
> > Thanks Chuck for that very interesting piece of information
> > regarding
> > the red and blue Flag Emblems. I had no idea the original
> > manufacture
> > was still in business. It would have been great to have the original
> > manufacture create new Evinrude Emblems for our old Evinrude
> > boats..............but guess thats not gonna happen.
> > Does anyone have additional information regarding the injection
> > molding process or the shapeways.com 3-d printing process for
> > replacement Emblems?
> > Today just figuring in my head, I figure an old non running Evinrude
> > Sportsman parts boat (with trailer) would cost about $150.00 to
> > 350.00
> > dollars to purchase? That would mean a cost of $150.00 to $350.00
> > for
> > approximately 40 feet of Blue rub rail insert. This is just a guess
> > and the unknown costs in this guess would be where to park the
> > additional parts boat, how much would it cost to park the parts
> > boat,
> > and what would it cost to get rid of the boat once parts were
> > salvaged? When you combine all these cost together it starts adding
> > up
> > and I'm left wondering what would the total cost be for blue rub
> > rail
> > inserts? Would the cost be more or less then what a California
> > supplier would charge for producing 500 lbs of the stuff?
> > Still working toward replacement flag emblems and rub rail inserts.
> > DM
> > > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:23:39 -0500
> > > From: cbreen5510@...
> > > To: omc-boats@...
> > > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] "E" Emblems
> > >
> > > I have contacted the original manufacture of the "E" red and blue
> > > emblems and they no longer have the molds. Unfortunately the were
> > > lost in a factory fire. However they are still in business. The
> > > manufactures name is on the back of the emblems as an imprint. I
> > > also found a place in California that would manufacture the rub
> > > rail
> > > insert in blue, but it would have to be a special run for the
> > > color
> > > and a LARGE quantity. I believe I was told it was going to be at
> > > least 500 lbs. That's a lot but could be done. Not sure how many
> > > feet that would be.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > On 07/11/12, omc-boats-request@... wrote:
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> > >
> > > 1. flag emblems (tklauber@...)
> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:58:51 -0400
> > > From: <tklauber@...>
> > > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] flag emblems
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> > >
> > > I have looked at this problem off and on several years and the
> > > ideal
> > > would
> > > be to find the original manufacturer who is probably out of
> > > business
> > > now. I
> > > suspect they were injection molded and the dies may still be
> > > around.
> > > They
> > > could be remade no problem - maybe costly. Then deciding the
> > > correct
> > > plastic
> > > then how to silkscreen the correct color to the part. Infringement
> > > on OMC or
> > > whoever property - I don't know the answer to that. Would hate to
> > > make 3000
> > > of these and then get sued - paranoid? The final product hopefully
> > > would
> > > last at least 10 years. Maybe upgrade the product - make them out
> > > of
> > > aluminum like the Evinrude insignia next to it. Gotta think of the
> > > people
> > > that will inherit the boat. That?s what makes this hobby so
> > > interesting.
> > > Looked into the shapeways.com and not sure what they are doing
> > > there
> > > or the
> > > materials they are using. Might work but would like to pursue
> > > injection
> > > molding first.
> > > As to the rub rail aluminum extrusion that will have to wait
> > > unless
> > > I get
> > > lucky. Thinking of ways to refurbish what is there - a little
> > > paint
> > > and
> > > buffing does a lot. Tom
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. OMC-Boats - custom plastic molding (Micah Donahue)
> > > 2. Re: Tilt Motor problem conclusion (Paul Hamilton)
> > > 3. Stalling from low idle (Paul Hamilton)
> > > 4. Re: Tilt Motor problem conclusion (William Howk)
> > > 5. (no subject) (d m)
> > > 6. Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue) (d m)
> > > 7. Re: (no subject) (Paul Hamilton)
> > >
> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:21:36 -0400
> > > From: Micah Donahue <mdonahue@...>
> > > To: omc-boats@...
> > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - custom plastic molding
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> > >
> > > Tom --
> > > Re: the emblems, I would definitely try shapeways.com. You can 3D
> > > print
> > > almost anything you can scan or CAD up, in a variety of
> > > "materials."
> > >
> > > Just a thought.
> > >
> > > -Micah
> > > ..................................................................
> > > Micah Donahue
> > > principal/contact strategy director
> > > M E C H A N I C A
> > > V 978-499-7871 x107
> > > M 978-491-7242
> > > mdonahue@...
> > > LinkedIn: micahdonahue
> > > ..................................................................
> > > >
> > > > From: <tklauber@...>
> > > > Date: July 8, 2012 10:16:15 PM EDT
> > > > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] tilt motor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The tilt motor in the 69 Rogue and Sportsman is a Prestolite
> > > > ETK-402. It
> > > > is covered well in the Seloc manual. You see them cheap and
> > > > often
> > > > on ebay.
> > > > Make sure you get one from a reputable seller. I have seen some
> > > > good and
> > > > bad ones one ebay. New ones can be had online for around $100
> > > > and
> > > > on up.
> > > >
> > > > Anybody in the plastic molding business out there? The insignia
> > > > on
> > > > the
> > > > boat sides are pretty much toast and I NEVER see them on ebay.
> > > > You
> > > > know
> > > > what I am talking about. Those red and blue flags next to the
> > > > Evinrude
> > > > inscription. Mine on the Rogue and Sportsman are cracked and
> > > > shriveled up.
> > > > Wonder what it would take to get them made. They are complicated
> > > > having a
> > > > plastic base with 4 plastic prongs held in place with a clip and
> > > > a
> > > > little
> > > > rubber washer. The color comes from paint or silk screen I
> > > > think.
> > > > Any body
> > > > out there with any ideas on that? Also need to find an aluminum
> > > > extruder
> > > > to remanufacture the rub rails. That will be tough as they come
> > > > in
> > > > one
> > > > piece per side meaning they would be very long and hard to ship
> > > > if
> > > > available. Just a wild thought. Tom
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:51:23 -0500
> > > From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > > To: BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > > Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt Motor problem conclusion
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> > > It may have been obvious to others but I didn't remove the cowling
> > > when I
> > > first made the attempt to remove the tilt motor. Virtually
> > > impossible.
> > > With the cowling off, it's still tedious but reaching under the
> > > outdrive
> > > and over to the bolt made it possible. I didn't have a ratcheting
> > > open
> > > end wrench so I needed a third hand to help release/position the
> > > wrench at
> > > times. I will have a ratcheting wrench when I install the rebuilt
> > > unit,
> > > hopefully later this week.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM, BLDFW <bldfw@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well..... anyone have the pleasure of "trying" to remove the
> > > > tilt
> > > > motor?
> > > > That lower bolt is a killer! Will prob need to get a universal
> > > > joint for
> > > > my 1/4 ratchet to get in there!
> > > >
> > > > Always somethin'!
> > > >
> > > > -Bill
> > > > Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > > > 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > > > http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > > >
> > > > *From:* BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > > > *To:* OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:51 AM
> > > > *Subject:* Tilt Motor problem conclusion
> > > >
> > > > Had a boating buddy come out to the lake yesterday to see what
> > > > we
> > > > could
> > > > figure out on my tilt motor problem. We picked up a new Multi
> > > > Meter at
> > > > Lowes and set about testing all of the circuits. There was power
> > > > right
> > > > down to the motor plug but no action from the motor itself even
> > > > when we
> > > > bypassed everything running a wire direct from the battery to
> > > > the
> > > > plug
> > > > itself. Still nothing. We came to the logical conclusion the
> > > > motor
> > > > just
> > > > quit working. Bad timing (when is it ever good timing??).
> > > > Soooo..... we
> > > > missed boating on my Explorer this weekend. Bummer.
> > > >
> > > > I went on eBay and looked up tilt motors with the original part
> > > > number
> > > > (380361) and found this (one of many):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OMC-Tilt-Trim-Motor-380361-382138-382220-1965-/360405308269?hash=item53e9d4936d&item=360405308269&pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr
> > > >
> > > > In looking at the pics, it's exactly what is in the boat now so
> > > > it
> > > > obviously the motor is not original. The end cap of the motor
> > > > has
> > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > smooth contours as the one in the pics and vice-versa. That
> > > > would
> > > > explain
> > > > the missing hand wheel. Out of curiosity, I checked eBay for a
> > > > hand wheel
> > > > and surprisingly found one. There would have to be a shaft
> > > > coming
> > > > out the
> > > > end of the motor to attach the wheel to. If my motor were
> > > > original
> > > > with
> > > > the hand wheel, I'd have had it rebuilt just to keep a means of
> > > > manually
> > > > raising or lowering the outdrive.
> > > >
> > > > Oh well, you make due with what you have!
> > > >
> > > > -Bill
> > > > Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > > > 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > > > http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:57:27 -0500
> > > From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > > To: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] Stalling from low idle
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> > > My apologies to Lee Shuster for repeating this question from long
> > > ago, but
> > > I never resolved the issue and have lost his response to my
> > > initial
> > > inquiry.
> > >
> > > My 66 Sportsman idles well at as low as 650 rpm or so but I have
> > > to
> > > baby it
> > > to the 1100 - 1200 range or it will stall out. If I try to go to
> > > full
> > > throttle below about 1500, it also stalls out. As I recall Lee
> > > indicated
> > > this was an easy fix. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Paul
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> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:02:27 -0700
> > > From: William Howk <bchowk@...>
> > > To: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > > Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt Motor problem conclusion
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> > > Gentlemen,
> > >
> > > I feel your pain....cramped frustrating business getting that
> > > simple
> > > motor
> > > swapped...but if I can do it, so can you.
> > >
> > > good luck!
> > > B.C.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It may have been obvious to others but I didn't remove the
> > > > cowling
> > > > when I
> > > > first made the attempt to remove the tilt motor. Virtually
> > > > impossible.
> > > > With the cowling off, it's still tedious but reaching under the
> > > > outdrive
> > > > and over to the bolt made it possible. I didn't have a
> > > > ratcheting
> > > > open
> > > > end wrench so I needed a third hand to help release/position the
> > > > wrench at
> > > > times. I will have a ratcheting wrench when I install the
> > > > rebuilt
> > > > unit,
> > > > hopefully later this week.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM, BLDFW <bldfw@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Well..... anyone have the pleasure of "trying" to remove the
> > > >> tilt
> > > >> motor? That lower bolt is a killer! Will prob need to get a
> > > >> universal
> > > >> joint for my 1/4 ratchet to get in there!
> > > >>
> > > >> Always somethin'!
> > > >>
> > > >> -Bill
> > > >> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > > >> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > > >> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > > >>
> > > >> *From:* BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > > >> *To:* OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:51 AM
> > > >> *Subject:* Tilt Motor problem conclusion
> > > >>
> > > >> Had a boating buddy come out to the lake yesterday to see what
> > > >> we
> > > >> could figure out on my tilt motor problem. We picked up a new
> > > >> Multi
> > > >> Meter
> > > >> at Lowes and set about testing all of the circuits. There was
> > > >> power
> > > >> right
> > > >> down to the motor plug but no action from the motor itself even
> > > >> when we
> > > >> bypassed everything running a wire direct from the battery to
> > > >> the
> > > >> plug
> > > >> itself. Still nothing. We came to the logical conclusion the
> > > >> motor just
> > > >> quit working. Bad timing (when is it ever good timing??).
> > > >> Soooo..... we
> > > >> missed boating on my Explorer this weekend. Bummer.
> > > >>
> > > >> I went on eBay and looked up tilt motors with the original part
> > > >> number
> > > >> (380361) and found this (one of many):
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OMC-Tilt-Trim-Motor-380361-382138-382220-1965-/360405308269?hash=item53e9d4936d&item=360405308269&pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr
> > > >>
> > > >> In looking at the pics, it's exactly what is in the boat now so
> > > >> it
> > > >> obviously the motor is not original. The end cap of the motor
> > > >> has
> > > >> the
> > > >> same
> > > >> smooth contours as the one in the pics and vice-versa. That
> > > >> would
> > > >> explain
> > > >> the missing hand wheel. Out of curiosity, I checked eBay for a
> > > >> hand
> > > >> wheel
> > > >> and surprisingly found one. There would have to be a shaft
> > > >> coming
> > > >> out
> > > >> the
> > > >> end of the motor to attach the wheel to. If my motor were
> > > >> original with
> > > >> the hand wheel, I'd have had it rebuilt just to keep a means of
> > > >> manually
> > > >> raising or lowering the outdrive.
> > > >>
> > > >> Oh well, you make due with what you have!
> > > >>
> > > >> -Bill
> > > >> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > > >> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > > >> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:37:58 -0700
> > > From: d m <warriors100@...>
> > > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] (no subject)
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> > >
> > >
> > > Hello;
> > >
> > > I also have been wanting to replace the OMC/Evinrude Emblems on my
> > > 67
> > > Sportsman. Mine are in the same shape as Tom described.
> > > (I also want to replace the OMC decal which is on the top of my
> > > omc
> > > stern
> > > drive unit because my decal is completely faded out.)
> > >
> > > My thought earlier this year was to get some modeling clay and
> > > press
> > > it over
> > > the red and blue flag emblems.
> > > Then fill in the flag impressions with something that squeezes out
> > > of a tube
> > > and dries hard. maybe something like a two part epoxy or gasket
> > > sealer which
> > > dries hard, anythin just something that dries hard.
> > > Then take my dremel tool and shave down the excess material and
> > > paint each
> > > flag accordingly.
> > >
> > > My second thought was to just replace the 3-D emblems with 2
> > > dimensianal
> > > flag decals (one red and the other blue).
> > >
> > > But after reading Micahs post I think I check into that method
> > > first.
> > >
> > > Guess my final decision for which way to replace will depend on
> > > cost. (Don't
> > > have as full of a wallet as I had ten years ago.)
> > >
> > >
> > > On another note; Replacement Evinrude trailer decals are now
> > > available on Ebay. I purchased 2 decals last year and they were
> > > excellent
> > > quality replacements. I don't know about anyone else but I like to
> > > keep my
> > > Evinrude trailer looking good also.
> > >
> > >
> > > D.M.
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> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:49:27 -0700
> > > From: d m <warriors100@...>
> > > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue)
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What is the going rate for vintage Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue Color
> > > for
> > > 67
> > > sportsman)?
> > >
> > > Have we ever discussed this issue or resolved the shortage
> > > problem?
> > >
> > > I know of a Evinrude boat that would make a good parts boat.
> > > I would like to buy the whole boat for my myself,
> > > But the cost of the parts boat is more than I want to spend.
> > >
> > > The Rub Blue rub rail on this boat looks to be in good condition.
> > >
> > > What would someone else be willing to pay for this Blue Rub Rail?
> > >
> > >
> > > D.M.
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> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:09:50 -0500
> > > From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > > To: d m <warriors100@...>
> > > Cc: omc-boats@...
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> > > I may have a source that could do the cad work and use 3d resin
> > > printer to
> > > make decent replicas though the surface might not be perfectly
> > > smooth - I
> > > will check into it but it may take awhile. If it works out they
> > > would be
> > > reasonable.
> > > On Jul 9, 2012 6:39 PM, "d m" <warriors100@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello;
> > > >
> > > > I also have been wanting to replace the OMC/Evinrude Emblems on
> > > > my
> > > > 67
> > > > Sportsman. Mine are in the same shape as Tom described.
> > > > (I also want to replace the OMC decal which is on the top of my
> > > > omc stern
> > > > drive unit because my decal is completely faded out.)
> > > >
> > > > My thought earlier this year was to get some modeling clay and
> > > > press it
> > > > over the red and blue flag emblems.
> > > > Then fill in the flag impressions with something that squeezes
> > > > out
> > > > of a
> > > > tube and dries hard. maybe something like a two part epoxy or
> > > > gasket
> > > > sealer
> > > > which dries hard, anythin just something that dries hard.
> > > > Then take my dremel tool and shave down the excess material and
> > > > paint each
> > > > flag accordingly.
> > > >
> > > > My second thought was to just replace the 3-D emblems with 2
> > > > dimensianal
> > > > flag decals (one red and the other blue).
> > > >
> > > > But after reading Micahs post I think I check into that method
> > > > first.
> > > >
> > > > Guess my final decision for which way to replace will depend on
> > > > cost. (Don't have as full of a wallet as I had ten years ago.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On another note; Replacement Evinrude trailer decals are now
> > > > available on Ebay. I purchased 2 decals last year and they were
> > > > excellent quality replacements. I don't know about anyone else
> > > > but
> > > > I like
> > > > to keep my Evinrude trailer looking good also.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > D.M.
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