Hey Dave,
Just curious, have you ever tried pulling the engine and I/M housing
together. Reason I ask, when I worked at the sterndrive plant is that's the
way they were tested and shipped. Engine and housing as one piece.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David" <odin@...>
To: <omc-boats@...>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #427
> Ryan,
> First you need to pull the head and find the problem - cracked head,
> leaking head gasket, or the worst - cracked block - my suggestion to you
> is to go ahead and rebuild the engine - not hard to do - the last gasket
> and bearing kits I bought ran a little over $200 - I did my own valves
> (you can take the heads to a shop, probably cost about $80 a head) and
> honed my block - once done and back together I ran between 145 and 150 per
> cylinder - to pull then engines I have used tree limbs (stout of course),
> garage rafters and I have done it by hand - if you pull the intake
> manifold and both heads, drain the oil of course, then get one or two
> others you can unbolt the engine from the intermediate housing and
> manually lift the block out. Good winter project and very satisfying once
> you start her up again! Dave
>
> Ryan wrote:
>
>> I'm just going by the water squirting out of the one cylinder that is
>> lower than the others on compression. The oil looks almost tan color.
>> Would it help if I took a picture of this and posted it?
>> Ryan
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Klauber"
>> <tklauber@...>
>> To: <omc-boats-digest@...>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:26 PM
>> Subject: [omc-boats] Re: omc-boats-digest V1 #427
>>
>>
>>> You need to get a SELOC manual for your year boat and it will give you
>>> the numbers you need. You can GOOGLE cylinder compression and get a lot
>>> of info on auto cylinder compression facts. I would test each cylinder
>>> and write them all down and look for any numbers that seem to be way off
>>> or too low. All cylinders will not be bad unless the motor is worn out.
>>> Mine ran about 100 to 120 but it has been 2 years since I checked so I
>>> could be off.. I doubt the engine is worn out as we do not use the boats
>>> much but you never know. You have plenty of time till the next season.
>>> There are tricks and pitfalls with the process so be careful. TK
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "omc-boats-digest"
>>> <owner-omc-boats-digest@...>
>>> To: <omc-boats-digest@...>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:00 PM
>>> Subject: omc-boats-digest V1 #427
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> omc-boats-digest Saturday, December 10 2005 Volume 01 :
>>>> Number 427
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Re: [omc-boats] new member
>>>> Re: [omc-boats] new member
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:47:27 -0500
>>>> From: "Ryan" <kmoore12@...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] new member
>>>>
>>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>>>> Ok..I got a compression gage. The guy who loaned it to me said I
>>>> should =
>>>> check not only the compression but also the tolerance between =
>>>> cylinders??? I assume that means make sure one cylinder isn't way more
>>>> =
>>>> or less the than others. Any idea what the tolerance is + or - ? Is =
>>>> this necessary?
>>>> Ryan
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: David=20
>>>> To: omc-boats@...=20
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] new member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan, The first thing I would suggest you do is a compression test on
>>>> =
>>>> the engine - often overheating as bad as you described can cause the =
>>>> head to crack - between the intake and exhaust valves - the area
>>>> between =
>>>> the two valves is only about 1/8th of an inch and often the crack is =
>>>> hard to find. but if compression hits above 140 psi, and none lower,
>>>> you =
>>>> should be ok - heads by the way, in the mid-west, are very hard to
>>>> find. =
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The boat originally come from Florida. My Dad, brother in law, and I
>>>> =
>>>> found it in Indiana, where I'm from, for $500, trailer and all! Good =
>>>> deal I thought. I moved to Wilmington, NC a couple of years ago and =
>>>> just went and got it over Thanksgiving. I am surrounded by water here
>>>> =
>>>> and my brother in law was tired of getting stranded out on the lake.
>>>> :) =
>>>> The last few times it was out it overheated and stalled the motor. I =
>>>> know I got my work cut out for me but I enjoy stuff like this. Also it
>>>> =
>>>> is cheaper than buying a new boat. I fired it up the other day and it
>>>> =
>>>> sounds good.
>>>> The river has a little salt in it from the tide coming in and out =
>>>> and of coarse the Intercostals waterway is salt water. Will this
>>>> engine =
>>>> last long if flushed and washed down after every use?=20
>>>> I looked up the model number and did find out it is a 69'. I'll =
>>>> pick up the book for it and go from there. I did notice the steering =
>>>> wheel is cracking on both sides. Is it impossible to find original =
>>>> parts for this boat? =20
>>>>
>>>> Thanks=20
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: lib1@...=20
>>>> To: omc-boats@...=20
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] new member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Welcome aboard, Ryan. You'll find a lot of helpful people eager to
>>>> =
>>>> help you and share info. Sounds like from your description you have a =
>>>> 1969 Sportsman. They feature a slightly deeper center hull, which =
>>>> allowed them to run drier and a couple miles per hour faster.
>>>>
>>>> Blower/Bilge pump can be removed and torn down and the electric =
>>>> motor can be refurbed. Or you could choose to replace it with modern =
>>>> units, but you'll need a new seperate pump and new blower. You could
>>>> use =
>>>> the old switch to run the blower and setup the bilge to run =
>>>> automatically, when it detects water.
>>>>
>>>> Get yourself a Seloc shop manual that covers the OMC 64-77 =
>>>> "Electric-Shift" stringer-mounted drives. If the boat sat unused for a
>>>> =
>>>> number of years (or was started dry) the rubber impellor in the lower =
>>>> unit water pump is probably in need of replacement.
>>>>
>>>> Where are you and your boat geographically located?
>>>>
>>>> Lee Shuster
>>>> Salt Lake City
>>>> ----- Original Message -----=20
>>>> From: Ryan=20
>>>> To: omc-boats@...=20
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:51 PM
>>>> Subject: [omc-boats] new member
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone. My name is Ryan and I found this list while =
>>>> searching the Internet for information about a Sportsman 155 I recently
>>>> =
>>>> bought. I'm not even sure what year it is. I will post a picture of
>>>> it =
>>>> later. It's in pretty good condition except for a few things. The =
>>>> Blower/Bilge pump is froze up and the prop tilt sticks occasionally. =
>>>> The red and blue stripe down the sides is faded which I'm working on =
>>>> buffing out. The last time we had it out it overheated. I'm thinking
>>>> =
>>>> it is the stern drive water pump. I have no idea what I'm doing so I =
>>>> need to locate a book but I'm mostly interested in finding parts. Any
>>>> =
>>>> help will be greatly appreciated.
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>>>> <BODY text=3D#000000 bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok..I got a compression gage.
>>>> The =
>>>> guy who=20
>>>> loaned it to me said I should check not only the compression but also =
>>>> the=20
>>>> tolerance between cylinders??? I assume that means make sure one
>>>> =
>>>> cylinder=20
>>>> isn't way more or less the than others. Any idea what the =
>>>> tolerance is=20
>>>> + or - ? Is this necessary?</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ryan</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
>>>> black"><B>From:</B>=20
>>>> <A title=3Dodin@... href=3D"mailto:odin@...">David</A>
>>>> =
>>>> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
>>>> title=3Domc-boats@...=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats@...">omc-boats@...</A> =
>>>> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 05, 2005
>>>> =
>>>> 5:47=20
>>>> PM</DIV>
>>>> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [omc-boats] new =
>>>> member</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><BR></DIV>Ryan, The first thing I would suggest you do is a =
>>>> compression=20
>>>> test on the engine - often overheating as bad as you described can =
>>>> cause the=20
>>>> head to crack - between the intake and exhaust valves - the area =
>>>> between the=20
>>>> two valves is only about 1/8th of an inch and often the crack is hard
>>>> =
>>>> to find.=20
>>>> but if compression hits above 140 psi, and none lower, you should be =
>>>> ok -=20
>>>> heads by the way, in the mid-west, are very hard to find. =20
>>>> Dave<BR><BR>Ryan wrote:<BR>
>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3Dmid003f01c5f9da$6695d790$9b34b841@... =
>>>> type=3D"cite">
>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The boat originally come
>>>> from=20
>>>> Florida. My Dad, brother in law, and I found it in =
>>>> Indiana,=20
>>>> where I'm from, for $500, trailer and all! Good deal I=20
>>>> thought. I moved to Wilmington, NC a couple of years ago and =
>>>> just went=20
>>>> and got it over Thanksgiving. I am surrounded by water here =
>>>> and my=20
>>>> brother in law was tired of getting stranded out on the lake.
>>>> =
>>>> :) =20
>>>> The last few times it was out it overheated and stalled the =
>>>> motor. I=20
>>>> know I got my work cut out for me but I enjoy stuff like this.
>>>> =
>>>> Also it=20
>>>> is cheaper than buying a new boat. I fired it up =
>>>> the other=20
>>>> day and it sounds good.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The river has a little salt in it =
>>>> from the tide=20
>>>> coming in and out and of coarse the Intercostals waterway is salt=20
>>>> water. Will this engine last long if flushed and washed down =
>>>> after=20
>>>> every use? </FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I looked up the model number and =
>>>> did find out=20
>>>> it is a 69'. I'll pick up the book for it and go from =
>>>> there. I=20
>>>> did notice the steering wheel is cracking on both sides. Is it
>>>> =
>>>>
>>>> impossible to find original parts for this =
>>>> boat? </FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks </FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>> BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
>>>> normal">-----=20
>>>> Original Message ----- </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; =
>>>> font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: =
>>>> initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy:
>>>> =
>>>> initial"><B>From:</B>=20
>>>> <A title=3Dlib1@...=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:lib1@...">lib1@...</A> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
>>>> normal"><B>To:</B>=20
>>>> <A title=3Domc-boats@...=20
>>>> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats@...">omc-boats@...</A>
>>>> =
>>>> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
>>>> normal"><B>Sent:</B>=20
>>>> Monday, December 05, 2005 9:26 AM</DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: =
>>>> normal"><B>Subject:</B>=20
>>>> Re: [omc-boats] new member</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><BR></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Welcome aboard, Ryan. You'll find
>>>> =
>>>> a lot of=20
>>>> helpful people eager to help you and share info. Sounds like from
>>>> =
>>>> your=20
>>>> description you have a 1969 Sportsman. They feature a slightly =
>>>> deeper=20
>>>> center hull, which allowed them to run drier and a couple miles =
>>>> per hour=20
>>>> faster.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Blower/Bilge pump can be removed
>>>> =
>>>> and torn=20
>>>> down and the electric motor can be refurbed. Or you could choose =
>>>> to=20
>>>> replace it with modern units, but you'll need a new seperate pump
>>>> =
>>>> and new=20
>>>> blower. You could use the old switch to run the blower and setup =
>>>> the bilge=20
>>>> to run automatically, when it detects water.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Get yourself a Seloc shop manual
>>>> =
>>>> that covers=20
>>>> the OMC 64-77 "Electric-Shift" stringer-mounted drives. If =
>>>> the boat=20
>>>> sat unused for a number of years (or was started dry) the rubber =
>>>> impellor=20
>>>> in the lower unit water pump is probably in need of=20
>>>> replacement.</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Where are you and your boat =
>>>> geographically=20
>>>> located?</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Lee Shuster</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Salt Lake City</FONT></DIV>
>>>> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>>>> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>>>> =
>>>> BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
>>>> =
>>>> normal">-----=20
>>>> Original Message ----- </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial;
>>>> =
>>>> font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: =
>>>> initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy:
>>>> =
>>>> initial"><B>From:</B>=20
>>>> <A title=3Dkmoore12@... =
>>>> href=3D"mailto:kmoore12@...">Ryan</A>=20
>>>> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
>>>> =
>>>> normal"><B>To:</B>=20
>>>> <A title=3Domc-boats@...=20
>>>> =
>>>> href=3D"mailto:omc-boats@...">omc-boats@...</A>
>>>> </DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
>>>> =
>>>> normal"><B>Sent:</B>=20
>>>> Sunday, December 04, 2005 8:51 PM</DIV>
>>>> <DIV=20
>>>> style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
>>>> =
>>>> normal"><B>Subject:</B>=20
>>>> [omc-boats] new member</DIV>
>>>> <DIV><BR></DIV>
>>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello everyone. My name is
>>>> =
>>>> Ryan and I=20
>>>> found this list while searching the Internet for information =
>>>> about a=20
>>>> Sportsman 155 I recently bought. I'm not even sure what =
>>>> year it=20
>>>> is. I will post a picture of it later. It's in =
>>>> pretty good=20
>>>> condition except for a few things. The Blower/Bilge pump =
>>>> is froze=20
>>>> up and the prop tilt sticks occasionally. The red and blue
>>>> =
>>>> stripe=20
>>>> down the sides is faded which I'm working on buffing out.
>>>> =
>>>> The last=20
>>>> time we had it out it overheated. I'm thinking it is the =
>>>> stern=20
>>>> drive water pump. I have no idea what I'm doing so I need
>>>> =
>>>> to=20
>>>> locate a book but I'm mostly interested in finding parts.
>>>> =
>>>> Any help=20
>>>> will be greatly appreciated. =20
>>>> =
>>>> </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><=
>>>> /HTML>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:08:15 -0600 (CST)
>>>> From: Ethan Brodsky <brodskye@...>
>>>> Subject: Re: [omc-boats] new member
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok..I got a compression gage. The guy who loaned it to me said I
>>>>> should
>>>>> check not only the compression but also the tolerance between
>>>>> cylinders??? I assume that means make sure one cylinder isn't way
>>>>> more
>>>>> or less the than others. Any idea what the tolerance is + or - ? Is
>>>>> this necessary?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recently picked up the factory service manual for the 1970 155 HP OMC
>>>> V-6. It specifies the following procedure for compression testing:
>>>>
>>>> (a) Remove all spark plugs
>>>> (b) Put throttle and choke in wide open position
>>>> (c) Remove wire from coil to distributor cap and ground securely to
>>>> engine
>>>> (d) Attach remote starter switch to starter assist solenoid
>>>> (e) Insert compression gauge in spark plug port. Crank engine through
>>>> at least 4 compression strokes to obtain the highest possible
>>>> reading.
>>>> (f) Check compression of each chlinder. Repeat a second time and
>>>> record
>>>> the highest reading for each cylinder
>>>> (g) The recorded compression pressures are to be considered normal if
>>>> the
>>>> lowest cylinder pressure reading is more than 75% of the highest
>>>> (h) Example: 129,135,140,121,120,100 - 75% of 140 is 105. Thus,
>>>> cylinder 6
>>>> is less than 75% of number 3. This condition, accompanied by low
>>>> speed
>>>> missing, indicates an improperly seated valve or worn or broken
>>>> piston
>>>> ring.
>>>> (i) If one or more cylinders reads low, inject about a tablespoon of
>>>> engine
>>>> oil on top of the piston in low reading cylinder through the spark
>>>> plug
>>>> port. Repeat compression check on these cylinders
>>>> (1) If compression improves considerably, rings are worn
>>>> (2) If compression does not improve, valves are sticking or seating
>>>> poorly
>>>> (3) If two adjacent cylinders indicate low compression and injecting
>>>> oil does not increase compression, the cause may be a head
>>>> gasket
>>>> leak between the two cylinders. Engine coolant and/or oil in
>>>> cylinders could result from this defect.
>>>>
>>>> Also, for Mark (the guy with the boat that won't go), the shift coil
>>>> resistance should be between 4.5 and 6.5 ohms, not the 2.xx ohms I
>>>> quoted earlier. The current draw is specified as 2.2 +- 0.2 A.
>>>>
>>>> Ethan
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