Good luck with it.
I do love the left twist drill thing. I have gotten out maybe a dozen screws/bolts that way over the years, two of them were chevy starter bolts that broke off. I can think of two times it didn't work, and those two times they were corroded bad enough that the EZ out didn't work either.
Just hit the center of the bolt as best you can with a small drill to start, maybe 1/8 inch, or even a 1/16. Then move up to 3/16, ¼, 5/16, etc. If you hit the center close enough to start you'll eventually be able to clean what's left of the bolt threads out of the hole. The drill bits will cost a couple bucks apiece, but you'll likely have them for the rest of your life, and use them again.
Don
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From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Nexi
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:23 PM
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
Don,
I did decide against the EZ Out route. Regardless of the quality of bits I purchase I'm concerned that the EZ Out will snap in the process. If that were to happen I'd surely be banging my head against the wall. I am going to attempt the drill out using left twist drill bits. Before I even attempt to tackle the problem I'm going to spray P'Blaster and let it soak for at least a few hours and occassionally hammer the quadrant gear a bit to try and loosen things up. The PB should be able to soak it's way down.
- Nexi
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From: Don Fintak <D.Fintak@...>
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's <omc-boats@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:52:56 AM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
Just a tip I got from and farmer/machinist years ago...
As long as you're drilling to remove a bolt, whether to use an EZ Out or drilling out the whole bolt to re-tap it - Go to the hardware store and get a couple of left twist drill bits. Start small and work up just like you would normally. The great advantage is that most of the time I have done this the bolt backs out with the drill before you are done. The heat generated by drilling, and constant rotational force in the proper direction is more often than not enough to spin the bolt out. Now if it's corroded in real bad, which may be the case here, it may not work, but as long as you're drilling on it, it's worth a shot. It has worked for me several times.
Don
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From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of BLDFW
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27 PM
To: Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
Be very careful using EZ Out's. If you do not have a quality set of EZ out tools, I would recommend drilling it out. I broke a small bolt of and was able to drill a hole right in the center but then the crappy ez out broke in the hole and that metal is a lot harder than the original screw.
-Bill
Dallas , TX
1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...> wrote:
From: Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...>
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
To: bchowk@..., " Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's " <omc-boats@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:25 PM
B.C.,
Just getting a bit frustrated. The bolt head broke off so the rest of the bolt is stuck in the quadrant. I'm going to see if I can get my hands on an ez out or just drill it myself. I had the pleasure of removing a bolt from the engine of my old car when changing a valve cover gasket.
I will definitely be applying anti-seize before putting new bolts in.
- Nexi
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From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
To: omc-boats@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:21:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
Nexi,
Welcome....we've all been there. Once you get it sorted out they are worth it!!
I have actually been running mine with 2 bolts on the quadrant gear for years now, in my case one of the bolt holes broke. If its just a broken bolt head you could try an easy out or just tow it to a machinist have them drill it out and retap shouldn't cost but a few bucks I think.
on the up side, you should be able to take the quadrant gear off now right? So you can drop the outdrive, run the motor and tune it up? Not sure, how your inspection is going but it sounds like you are running into pretty standard stuff for one of these old boats that has been sitting a while, battery, tilt issues (if you fix it right and maintain it will work trouble free for years ), old oil. the fact that it started up is pretty encouraging.
Your just on a learning curve, you'll have it sorted and enjoying it in no time. stay positive.
Cheers,
B.C.
On Aug 11, 2009, Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...> wrote:
B.C.,
Tried some penetrating oil before doing anything. Neighbor said the torch would probably melt the aluminum so I didn't use it. Broke 1 of the bolts, got the other 2 out. I'm thinking an EZ-Out should work to remove the rest of the bolt? So far I'm having some really bad luck with a boat that was supposed to need nothing more than a solenoid. Arghhhh.
Nexi
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From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
To: omc-boats@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:18:14 PM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
Nexi,
Have you tried penetrating oil, impact wrench? A little heat and a breaker bar should work, would just hate to see you break the bolts or something.
Just another thought, since you need to fix the tilt motor anyway, go ahead and take the motor out and you should be able to spin the outdrive down by hand, via the worm gear shaft, will take a little while but.....
As far as the water goes, glad to hear you have the hose hooked up. As long as you have you tell tale "pee stream" should be alright. Sorry I don't know what else to call it... looks like the outdrive is peeing out of a little hole toward the top of the outdrive on the starboard side. Again, IMHO you should make sure the outdrive is down all the way before running it.
Good luck with those bolts.
B.C.
On Aug 11, 2009, Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...> wrote:
Having a real difficult time getting the 3 bolts off the quadrant gear. Perhaps a torch and a breaker bar will do the trick?
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From: BC Howk <bchowk@...>
To: omc-boats@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:32:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Prop spinning in Nuetral?
Nexi,
That's pretty normal, mine spins in neutral, just sorta idling along. You should be able to stop it with a finger be really sure it's not engaged first...
I would not run it with the engine up though. bad for ball gears and not real sure the impelor is gonna like that. I have heard some different opinions but never risk it myself just take off the quadrant gear and lower the outdrive by hand....till you can get the tilt motor sorted out.
Cheers,
B.C.
On Aug 11, 2009, Nexi <ohnoitsnexi@...> wrote:
Took a next step to make sure the engine runs. Started her up with the drive up, someone said this was ok as long as the boat is in nuetral. Oddly enough the prop is spinning while in neutral. Shouldn't the prop be at a stand still during neutral?
Boat: 1967 Sportsman 120
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