Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... from jason cohn on 2009-09-25 (OMC-Boats Mailing List Archive)

From: jason cohn <a36redhead@...>
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:42:40 -0600

I jus bought another 1968 rogue 210 II from a family that had owned it since 1975 . To my surprise the HULL ID #S are 2618 and 2619 . I checked the serial #s and there are 3 apart . What are the chances these two brothers would come back together . both are the exact same models down to the paint color . I now have the oppotunity to pick n choose as to the best conitioned parts for my baby .. The rogue i jus purchased has the original head in the boat too .. Something mine was missing . I feel very blessed to have a pair of evinrude boats manufactured over 40 yrs ago . I will keep you all posd as to the progress of the brothers ..

> From: Lee.Shuster@...
> To: omc-boats@...
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:52:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>
> CORRECTION! ALL 252's were EVEN fire. Sorry. I need to proofread more carefully.
>
> Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...s.ultimate.com] On Behalf Of Lee Shuster
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:14 PM
> To: 'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's'
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>
> I'm not sure why? But don't aftermarket manifold suppliers provide both even and odd fire Buick V6 intake manifolds?
>
> No Even-Fire OMC-Buick-Jeep-Kaiser were ever sold, including the 1971-72 OMC that were still based on the odd-fire Buick 225. There were both even and odd fire versions of the 231. The 252's were all odd-fire. Only the 225 OF was converted to marine use. (Later on OMC offered the 90-degree Chevy V6 in various versions.)
>
> I sent a link yesterday or Sunday from a place in Canada that listed all the various versions of Rochester 2-Jet's including various MARINE model numbers. I'm pretty certain you don't want an emissions-era carb on your application just because it might physically fit better. How do you really know for certain that your old carb is an OMC marine supplied original?
>
> If it were mine, I'd track down a used but serviceable 225 (odd-fire) intake manifold and get all the original OMC-style linkages and fuel fittings. I might opt for an electric choke, depending on the range of weather conditions I intend to operate the boat in. (Chokes don't really do much in 75 deg F weather.)
>
> Lee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...s.ultimate.com] On Behalf Of jd
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:25 AM
> To: bchowk@...; Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
>
> ahhhh - it's an even fire 252 V6 manifold - ok. Thanks for digging
> that up. Nevermind the carb fit issue, but it shouldn't affect
> anything else with the engine performace to have an even fire manifold
> on an odd fire engine should it? The water and air are still going
> to flow around in there regardless of which piston is firing in what order right?
>
>
> So my bigger question is did the even fire's end up in any OMC
> boats? Was it just for cars? What i'm getting at is if there was
> a marine version of the even fire, then maybe there's a marine version Rochester carb out there for it that will fit the bigger bolt pattern and allow me to get rid of all those stupid adapter plates and
> gaskets i have to have to make the odd fire RC2 carb fit. Unless it
> was getting me some big performance boost (which it's not) I hate
> having that jury rigged home made crap on my engine. Even though it
> worked. But I LIKE having that extra water temp port on this even
> fire manifold, i'm using that port, and I don't want to necessarily
> go back to the "correct" manifold and lose that port. So If flying
> fish for example had a 252 V6 RC2 carb maybe i'd be set with the best of both worlds.
>
> I have my existing carb all boxed up ready to send back for a re-
> build, but now that I know what I have and can talk to them further
> about it all - thanks!!
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:01 PM, BC Howk wrote:
>
> > I second Scotts offer, I would enjoy the chance to look at another OMC
> > boat and compare notes...one of these days I think it would be cool to
> > do a "cruise in" out on the Willamette
> >
> >
> > Glad you found your oil leak, I was concerned that you might have
> > damaged one of your gaskets looking for that rattling noise...
> >
> >
> > Your research confirmed my suspision, your manifold is for an EVEN
> > fire buick V6. The 225 ODD Fire is basically a V8 with 2 cylinders
> > lopped off as Buick decided to make something a little smoother idling
> > they changed the crank, cam and firing order, recycled pistons from
> > their current v8 production in 1973 an voila 231 even fire,
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine
> > which settles another cuiosity I've had for a long time, an even fire
> > manifold DOES work on the 225, which makes me think the inverse might
> > be true......interesting.....You'r manifold will also go on the 252
> > evenfire.
> >
> > Looks like you are getting this all settled out...glad to hear it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > B.C.
> >
> >
> > On Sep 21, 2009, Scott Veazie <scottveazie@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jeff,
> >
> > Let me know if you need an extra set of eyeballs to look things
> > over..I've always found that someone to do a quick look over can find
> > something simple that I miss on my own..
> >
> >
> > ~Scott
> >
> > > From: jdood@...
> > > To: omc-boats@...
> > > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:45:07 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak....
> > >
> > > well actually here's the latest from my oil leak saga (had this all
> > > typed up but i think it didn't send - sorry if duplicate):
> > >
> > > bought 5 qts and poured the first qt into my nice clean engine.
> > > Literally as I'm pouring it in, its coming back out somewhere and
> > > going into my nice clean bilge! And where was it coming from? The
> > > lower edge of the port side valve cover, going behind the metal
> > > exhaust manifold gasket, against the black engine backround, and
> > > down to the bilge. The reason? In the spirit of getting things
> > > stock OMC where possible, I used some extra stock OMC nuts with the
> > > oblong washers attached instead of the regular nuts someone had on
> > > there previous. Thought it would seal better with those washers
> > > too. They felt fine tightening down - didn't notice anything
> > > weird. Yet what I felt was tight was actually leaving a nice gap
> > > hiding under the lower side, enough to let 4 qts out. As best as I
> > > can figure I guess someone must have stripped and re-tapped those
> > > holes at some point because the threads are just slightly different
> > > than original. I put the regular nuts back in and they went in
> > > slightly deeper and sealed everything right up. Jeez! Almost a
> > > disaster. I hate the fact that I was driving around awhile with
> > > barely any oil. Nothing seized that day though. And although
> > > I've never been through it, my understanding is that is pretty much
> > > the main symptom of extremely low oil - engine seizure. So i'm
> > > hoping because that didn't happen, I'm still ok. Not sure why it
> > > had to get all the way down to practically zero before the light
> > came
> > > on.
> > >
> > > Anyway, on that day, something else was happening on occasion -
> > > something i think was happening to someone else on the list in the
> > > past few days. I would be accelerating, get to about 1/2 plane,
> > > and all power would just drop to zero. Much like your foot slipping
> > > off the gas pedal by accident in a car or something. Engine didn't
> > > stall, just went back to idle - still in gear. So after getting
> > > the oil leak solved and everything filled back up yesterday - i went
> > > for a little test run. Now that occasional problem is happening
> > > consistently. Got up on plane a couple times, but generally, it
> > > would do it. Just all the sudden no gas or acceleration. I
> > > really hope (and don't' think) it has anything to do with the oil
> > > situation. I think it's some new independent prob - coincidentally
> > > coming up now just to confuse me. It almost seemed electrical -
> > > although the engine almost always kept running after dropping down.
> > >
> > > So I limped back to dock and am pretty much gonna call it a season.
> > > In the coming weeks I;m going to get a new carb on there, replace my
> > > throttle switch with one of those new ones being made, then give it
> > > another test. Hopefully before it gets too cold.
> > >
> > > Jeff D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Justin DeSantis wrote:
> > >
> > > > Not sure how helpful it would be in this application, but
> > there's a
> > > > method for finding leaks on motorcycles I've used for years.
> > Taught to
> > > > me by a crusty old timer. Get the area of the oil leak good and
> > clean.
> > > > Use degreaser and remove all the oil. Not get yourself some
> > athletes
> > > > foot spray. It sprays as an aerosol and drys as a white powder.
> > spray
> > > > it on all the seams that may be leaking. When the oil leaks
> > through
> > > > again, it wets the powder and turns it black in the area of the
> > leak.
> > > > Makes it easy to spot.
> > > >
> > > > I tried everything once to locate the leak on a brand new Harley
> > > > Sportster. Found it with the spray. It was leaking right through
> > the
> > > > engine case. Bad casting from the factory.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, BC Howk <bchowk@...>
> > wrote:
> > > >> A few places
> > > >>
> > > >> -Head gasket
> > > >> -timing cover
> > > >> -rear main seal
> > > >>
> > > >> Check with your auto parts store but I believe they have oil
> > > >> additive that
> > > >> is flourescent (glows real bright under a black light) they make
> > > >> the stuff
> > > >> for just this occurance (need to track the source of an oil leak.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >> B.C.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sep 20, 2009, jd <jdood@...> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Setting aside my carb fit issue, today's to do list has one thing
> > > >> on it - figuring out how about 4 qts of oil ended up in my bilge
> > > >> during my last outing! Everything seemed to be going well. Had
> > > >> done a 20 min test earlier that day - no probs. Took it out for a
> > > >> real run with the GF later that day. At one point the oil light
> > > >> started coming on - turned off immediately and poked around
> > back at
> > > >> the engine. Oil all over the bilge area. But nothing obvious. A
> > > >> small drip from one spot on the valve cover gasket - but really
> > > >> small. It looked like just enough on the dipstick to get back
> > with
> > > >> so that's what we did later.
> > > >>
> > > >> So now a week later the engine and bilge are all cleaned up (2 hr
> > > >> messy job). And Im heading off to buy 4-5 qts of oil and go for a
> > > >> little test run and see what I can see. I don't get how that
> > > >> much oil could come out of the engine and it not be an obvious
> > > >> thing. So hopefully with the cowling off I will be able to spot
> > > >> it. Jeez - another close call - almost fried my engine.
> > > >>
> > > >> So here's my question - just to see if I'm missing something. The
> > > >> only places oil could be "leaking" out on the engine would be
> > > >>
> > > >> - valve covers
> > > >> - oil pan
> > > >> - dipstick tube and / or fill tube where it connects to the block
> > > >> - seal around base of distributor
> > > >>
> > > >> right? am i forgetting somewhere?
> > > >>
> > > >> Note to self: A black engine and a black bilge make it very
> > > >> difficult to spot oil leaks on a bright sunny day. Hoping to be
> > > >> able to paint my engine a lighter color this winter.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeff D
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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I jus bought another 1968 rogue 210 II from a family that had owned it since 1975 . To my surprise the HULL ID #S are 2618 and 2619 . I checked the serial #s and there are 3 apart . What are the chances these two brothers would come back together . both are the exact same models down to the paint color . I now have the oppotunity to pick n choose as to the best conitioned parts for my baby .. The rogue i jus purchased has the original head in the boat too .. Something mine was missing . I feel very blessed to have a pair of evinrude boats manufactured over 40 yrs ago .  I will keep you all posd as to the progress of the brothers ..  > From: Lee.Shuster@... > To: omc-boats@... > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:52:08 -0600 > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... > > CORRECTION! ALL 252's were EVEN fire. Sorry. I need to proofread more carefully. > > Lee > > -----Original Message----- > From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Lee Shuster > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:14 PM > To: 'Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's' > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... > > I'm not sure why? But don't aftermarket manifold suppliers provide both even and odd fire Buick V6 intake manifolds? > > No Even-Fire OMC-Buick-Jeep-Kaiser were ever sold, including the 1971-72 OMC that were still based on the odd-fire Buick 225. There were both even and odd fire versions of the 231. The 252's were all odd-fire. Only the 225 OF was converted to marine use. (Later on OMC offered the 90-degree Chevy V6 in various versions.) > > I sent a link yesterday or Sunday from a place in Canada that listed all the various versions of Rochester 2-Jet's including various MARINE model numbers. I'm pretty certain you don't want an emissions-era carb on your application just because it might physically fit better. How do you really know for certain that your old carb is an OMC marine supplied original? > > If it were mine, I'd track down a used but serviceable 225 (odd-fire) intake manifold and get all the original OMC-style linkages and fuel fittings. I might opt for an electric choke, depending on the range of weather conditions I intend to operate the boat in. (Chokes don't really do much in 75 deg F weather.) > > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: omc-boats-bounces@... [mailto:omc-boats-bounces@...timate.com] On Behalf Of jd > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:25 AM > To: bchowk@...; Evinrude & Johnson Boats of the 1960's and 70's > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... > > ahhhh - it's an even fire 252 V6 manifold - ok. Thanks for digging > that up. Nevermind the carb fit issue, but it shouldn't affect > anything else with the engine performace to have an even fire manifold > on an odd fire engine should it? The water and air are still going > to flow around in there regardless of which piston is firing in what order right? > > > So my bigger question is did the even fire's end up in any OMC > boats? Was it just for cars? What i'm getting at is if there was > a marine version of the even fire, then maybe there's a marine version Rochester carb out there for it that will fit the bigger bolt pattern and allow me to get rid of all those stupid adapter plates and > gaskets i have to have to make the odd fire RC2 carb fit. Unless it > was getting me some big performance boost (which it's not) I hate > having that jury rigged home made crap on my engine. Even though it > worked. But I LIKE having that extra water temp port on this even > fire manifold, i'm using that port, and I don't want to necessarily > go back to the "correct" manifold and lose that port. So If flying > fish for example had a 252 V6 RC2 carb maybe i'd be set with the best of both worlds. > > I have my existing carb all boxed up ready to send back for a re- > build, but now that I know what I have and can talk to them further > about it all - thanks!! > > > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:01 PM, BC Howk wrote: > > > I second Scotts offer, I would enjoy the chance to look at another OMC > > boat and compare notes...one of these days I think it would be cool to > > do a "cruise in" out on the Willamette > > > > > > Glad you found your oil leak, I was concerned that you might have > > damaged one of your gaskets looking for that rattling noise... > > > > > > Your research confirmed my suspision, your manifold is for an EVEN > > fire buick V6. The 225 ODD Fire is basically a V8 with 2 cylinders > > lopped off as Buick decided to make something a little smoother idling > > they changed the crank, cam and firing order, recycled pistons from > > their current v8 production in 1973 an voila 231 even fire, > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_V6_engine > > which settles another cuiosity I've had for a long time, an even fire > > manifold DOES work on the 225, which makes me think the inverse might > > be true......interesting.....You'r manifold will also go on the 252 > > evenfire. > > > > Looks like you are getting this all settled out...glad to hear it. > > > > Cheers, > > B.C. > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2009, Scott Veazie <scottveazie@...> wrote: > > > > Hey Jeff, > > > > Let me know if you need an extra set of eyeballs to look things > > over..I've always found that someone to do a quick look over can find > > something simple that I miss on my own.. > > > > > > ~Scott > > > > > From: jdood@... > > > To: omc-boats@...sts.ultimate.com > > > Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:45:07 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] oil leak.... > > > > > > well actually here's the latest from my oil leak saga (had this all > > > typed up but i think it didn't send - sorry if duplicate): > > > > > > bought 5 qts and poured the first qt into my nice clean engine. > > > Literally as I'm pouring it in, its coming back out somewhere and > > > going into my nice clean bilge! And where was it coming from? The > > > lower edge of the port side valve cover, going behind the metal > > > exhaust manifold gasket, against the black engine backround, and > > > down to the bilge. The reason? In the spirit of getting things > > > stock OMC where possible, I used some extra stock OMC nuts with the > > > oblong washers attached instead of the regular nuts someone had on > > > there previous. Thought it would seal better with those washers > > > too. They felt fine tightening down - didn't notice anything > > > weird. Yet what I felt was tight was actually leaving a nice gap > > > hiding under the lower side, enough to let 4 qts out. As best as I > > > can figure I guess someone must have stripped and re-tapped those > > > holes at some point because the threads are just slightly different > > > than original. I put the regular nuts back in and they went in > > > slightly deeper and sealed everything right up. Jeez! Almost a > > > disaster. I hate the fact that I was driving around awhile with > > > barely any oil. Nothing seized that day though. And although > > > I've never been through it, my understanding is that is pretty much > > > the main symptom of extremely low oil - engine seizure. So i'm > > > hoping because that didn't happen, I'm still ok. Not sure why it > > > had to get all the way down to practically zero before the light > > came > > > on. > > > > > > Anyway, on that day, something else was happening on occasion - > > > something i think was happening to someone else on the list in the > > > past few days. I would be accelerating, get to about 1/2 plane, > > > and all power would just drop to zero. Much like your foot slipping > > > off the gas pedal by accident in a car or something. Engine didn't > > > stall, just went back to idle - still in gear. So after getting > > > the oil leak solved and everything filled back up yesterday - i went > > > for a little test run. Now that occasional problem is happening > > > consistently. Got up on plane a couple times, but generally, it > > > would do it. Just all the sudden no gas or acceleration. I > > > really hope (and don't' think) it has anything to do with the oil > > > situation. I think it's some new independent prob - coincidentally > > > coming up now just to confuse me. It almost seemed electrical - > > > although the engine almost always kept running after dropping down. > > > > > > So I limped back to dock and am pretty much gonna call it a season. > > > In the coming weeks I;m going to get a new carb on there, replace my > > > throttle switch with one of those new ones being made, then give it > > > another test. Hopefully before it gets too cold. > > > > > > Jeff D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 21, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Justin DeSantis wrote: > > > > > > > Not sure how helpful it would be in this application, but > > there's a > > > > method for finding leaks on motorcycles I've used for years. > > Taught to > > > > me by a crusty old timer. Get the area of the oil leak good and > > clean. > > > > Use degreaser and remove all the oil. Not get yourself some > > athletes > > > > foot spray. It sprays as an aerosol and drys as a white powder. > > spray > > > > it on all the seams that may be leaking. When the oil leaks > > through > > > > again, it wets the powder and turns it black in the area of the > > leak. > > > > Makes it easy to spot. > > > > > > > > I tried everything once to locate the leak on a brand new Harley > > > > Sportster. Found it with the spray. It was leaking right through > > the > > > > engine case. Bad casting from the factory. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, BC Howk <bchowk@...> > > wrote: > > > >> A few places > > > >> > > > >> -Head gasket > > > >> -timing cover > > > >> -rear main seal > > > >> > > > >> Check with your auto parts store but I believe they have oil > > > >> additive that > > > >> is flourescent (glows real bright under a black light) they make > > > >> the stuff > > > >> for just this occurance (need to track the source of an oil leak. > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> B.C. > > > >> > > > >> On Sep 20, 2009, jd <jdood@...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Setting aside my carb fit issue, today's to do list has one thing > > > >> on it - figuring out how about 4 qts of oil ended up in my bilge > > > >> during my last outing! Everything seemed to be going well. Had > > > >> done a 20 min test earlier that day - no probs. Took it out for a > > > >> real run with the GF later that day. At one point the oil light > > > >> started coming on - turned off immediately and poked around > > back at > > > >> the engine. Oil all over the bilge area. But nothing obvious. A > > > >> small drip from one spot on the valve cover gasket - but really > > > >> small. It looked like just enough on the dipstick to get back > > with > > > >> so that's what we did later. > > > >> > > > >> So now a week later the engine and bilge are all cleaned up (2 hr > > > >> messy job). And Im heading off to buy 4-5 qts of oil and go for a > > > >> little test run and see what I can see. I don't get how that > > > >> much oil could come out of the engine and it not be an obvious > > > >> thing. So hopefully with the cowling off I will be able to spot > > > >> it. Jeez - another close call - almost fried my engine. > > > >> > > > >> So here's my question - just to see if I'm missing something. The > > > >> only places oil could be "leaking" out on the engine would be > > > >> > > > >> - valve covers > > > >> - oil pan > > > >> - dipstick tube and / or fill tube where it connects to the block > > > >> - seal around base of distributor > > > >> > > > >> right? am i forgetting somewhere? > > > >> > > > >> Note to self: A black engine and a black bilge make it very > > > >> difficult to spot oil leaks on a bright sunny day. Hoping to be > > > >> able to paint my engine a lighter color this winter. > > > >> > > > >> Jeff D > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> OMC-Boats mailing list > > > >> OMC-Boats@... > > > >> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> OMC-Boats mailing list > > > >> OMC-Boats@... > > > >> http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > OMC-Boats mailing list > > > > OMC-Boats@... > > > > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OMC-Boats mailing list > > > OMC-Boats@... > > > http://lists.ultimate.com/mailman/listinfo/omc-boats > > > > Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. 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