Thanks Chuck for that very interesting piece of information regarding the red and blue Flag Emblems. I had no idea the original manufacture was still in business. It would have been great to have the original manufacture create new Evinrude Emblems for our old Evinrude boats..............but guess thats not gonna happen.
Does anyone have additional information regarding the injection molding process or the shapeways.com 3-d printing process for replacement Emblems?
Today just figuring in my head, I figure an old non running Evinrude Sportsman parts boat (with trailer) would cost about $150.00 to 350.00 dollars to purchase? That would mean a cost of $150.00 to $350.00 for approximately 40 feet of Blue rub rail insert. This is just a guess and the unknown costs in this guess would be where to park the additional parts boat, how much would it cost to park the parts boat, and what would it cost to get rid of the boat once parts were salvaged? When you combine all these cost together it starts adding up and I'm left wondering what would the total cost be for blue rub rail inserts? Would the cost be more or less then what a California supplier would charge for producing 500 lbs of the stuff?
Still working toward replacement flag emblems and rub rail inserts.
DM
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:23:39 -0500
> From: cbreen5510@...
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] "E" Emblems
>
> I have contacted the original manufacture of the "E" red and blue emblems and they no longer have the molds. Unfortunately the were lost in a factory fire. However they are still in business. The manufactures name is on the back of the emblems as an imprint. I also found a place in California that would manufacture the rub rail insert in blue, but it would have to be a special run for the color and a LARGE quantity. I believe I was told it was going to be at least 500 lbs. That's a lot but could be done. Not sure how many feet that would be.
>
> Chuck
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:58:51 -0400
> From: <tklauber@...>
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> I have looked at this problem off and on several years and the ideal would
> be to find the original manufacturer who is probably out of business now. I
> suspect they were injection molded and the dies may still be around. They
> could be remade no problem - maybe costly. Then deciding the correct plastic
> then how to silkscreen the correct color to the part. Infringement on OMC or
> whoever property - I don't know the answer to that. Would hate to make 3000
> of these and then get sued - paranoid? The final product hopefully would
> last at least 10 years. Maybe upgrade the product - make them out of
> aluminum like the Evinrude insignia next to it. Gotta think of the people
> that will inherit the boat. That?s what makes this hobby so interesting.
> Looked into the shapeways.com and not sure what they are doing there or the
> materials they are using. Might work but would like to pursue injection
> molding first.
> As to the rub rail aluminum extrusion that will have to wait unless I get
> lucky. Thinking of ways to refurbish what is there - a little paint and
> buffing does a lot. Tom
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> 1. OMC-Boats - custom plastic molding (Micah Donahue)
> 2. Re: Tilt Motor problem conclusion (Paul Hamilton)
> 3. Stalling from low idle (Paul Hamilton)
> 4. Re: Tilt Motor problem conclusion (William Howk)
> 5. (no subject) (d m)
> 6. Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue) (d m)
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:21:36 -0400
> From: Micah Donahue <mdonahue@...>
> To: omc-boats@...
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - custom plastic molding
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> Tom --
> Re: the emblems, I would definitely try shapeways.com. You can 3D print
> almost anything you can scan or CAD up, in a variety of "materials."
>
> Just a thought.
>
> -Micah
> ..................................................................
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> >
> > From: <tklauber@...>
> > Date: July 8, 2012 10:16:15 PM EDT
> > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] tilt motor
> >
> >
> > The tilt motor in the 69 Rogue and Sportsman is a Prestolite ETK-402. It
> > is covered well in the Seloc manual. You see them cheap and often on ebay.
> > Make sure you get one from a reputable seller. I have seen some good and
> > bad ones one ebay. New ones can be had online for around $100 and on up.
> >
> > Anybody in the plastic molding business out there? The insignia on the
> > boat sides are pretty much toast and I NEVER see them on ebay. You know
> > what I am talking about. Those red and blue flags next to the Evinrude
> > inscription. Mine on the Rogue and Sportsman are cracked and shriveled up.
> > Wonder what it would take to get them made. They are complicated having a
> > plastic base with 4 plastic prongs held in place with a clip and a little
> > rubber washer. The color comes from paint or silk screen I think. Any body
> > out there with any ideas on that? Also need to find an aluminum extruder
> > to remanufacture the rub rails. That will be tough as they come in one
> > piece per side meaning they would be very long and hard to ship if
> > available. Just a wild thought. Tom
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:51:23 -0500
> From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> To: BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt Motor problem conclusion
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> It may have been obvious to others but I didn't remove the cowling when I
> first made the attempt to remove the tilt motor. Virtually impossible.
> With the cowling off, it's still tedious but reaching under the outdrive
> and over to the bolt made it possible. I didn't have a ratcheting open
> end wrench so I needed a third hand to help release/position the wrench at
> times. I will have a ratcheting wrench when I install the rebuilt unit,
> hopefully later this week.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM, BLDFW <bldfw@...> wrote:
>
> > Well..... anyone have the pleasure of "trying" to remove the tilt motor?
> > That lower bolt is a killer! Will prob need to get a universal joint for
> > my 1/4 ratchet to get in there!
> >
> > Always somethin'!
> >
> > -Bill
> > Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> >
> > *From:* BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > *To:* OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:51 AM
> > *Subject:* Tilt Motor problem conclusion
> >
> > Had a boating buddy come out to the lake yesterday to see what we could
> > figure out on my tilt motor problem. We picked up a new Multi Meter at
> > Lowes and set about testing all of the circuits. There was power right
> > down to the motor plug but no action from the motor itself even when we
> > bypassed everything running a wire direct from the battery to the plug
> > itself. Still nothing. We came to the logical conclusion the motor just
> > quit working. Bad timing (when is it ever good timing??). Soooo..... we
> > missed boating on my Explorer this weekend. Bummer.
> >
> > I went on eBay and looked up tilt motors with the original part number
> > (380361) and found this (one of many):
> >
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OMC-Tilt-Trim-Motor-380361-382138-382220-1965-/360405308269?hash=item53e9d4936d&item=360405308269&pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr
> >
> > In looking at the pics, it's exactly what is in the boat now so it
> > obviously the motor is not original. The end cap of the motor has the
> > same
> > smooth contours as the one in the pics and vice-versa. That would explain
> > the missing hand wheel. Out of curiosity, I checked eBay for a hand wheel
> > and surprisingly found one. There would have to be a shaft coming out the
> > end of the motor to attach the wheel to. If my motor were original with
> > the hand wheel, I'd have had it rebuilt just to keep a means of manually
> > raising or lowering the outdrive.
> >
> > Oh well, you make due with what you have!
> >
> > -Bill
> > Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:57:27 -0500
> From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> To: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Stalling from low idle
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> My apologies to Lee Shuster for repeating this question from long ago, but
> I never resolved the issue and have lost his response to my initial inquiry.
>
> My 66 Sportsman idles well at as low as 650 rpm or so but I have to baby it
> to the 1100 - 1200 range or it will stall out. If I try to go to full
> throttle below about 1500, it also stalls out. As I recall Lee indicated
> this was an easy fix. Thoughts?
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:02:27 -0700
> From: William Howk <bchowk@...>
> To: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt Motor problem conclusion
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> Gentlemen,
>
> I feel your pain....cramped frustrating business getting that simple motor
> swapped...but if I can do it, so can you.
>
> good luck!
> B.C.
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...> wrote:
>
> > It may have been obvious to others but I didn't remove the cowling when I
> > first made the attempt to remove the tilt motor. Virtually impossible.
> > With the cowling off, it's still tedious but reaching under the outdrive
> > and over to the bolt made it possible. I didn't have a ratcheting open
> > end wrench so I needed a third hand to help release/position the wrench at
> > times. I will have a ratcheting wrench when I install the rebuilt unit,
> > hopefully later this week.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM, BLDFW <bldfw@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Well..... anyone have the pleasure of "trying" to remove the tilt
> >> motor? That lower bolt is a killer! Will prob need to get a universal
> >> joint for my 1/4 ratchet to get in there!
> >>
> >> Always somethin'!
> >>
> >> -Bill
> >> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> >> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> >> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> >>
> >> *From:* BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> >> *To:* OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:51 AM
> >> *Subject:* Tilt Motor problem conclusion
> >>
> >> Had a boating buddy come out to the lake yesterday to see what we
> >> could figure out on my tilt motor problem. We picked up a new Multi
> >> Meter
> >> at Lowes and set about testing all of the circuits. There was power
> >> right
> >> down to the motor plug but no action from the motor itself even when we
> >> bypassed everything running a wire direct from the battery to the plug
> >> itself. Still nothing. We came to the logical conclusion the motor just
> >> quit working. Bad timing (when is it ever good timing??). Soooo..... we
> >> missed boating on my Explorer this weekend. Bummer.
> >>
> >> I went on eBay and looked up tilt motors with the original part number
> >> (380361) and found this (one of many):
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OMC-Tilt-Trim-Motor-380361-382138-382220-1965-/360405308269?hash=item53e9d4936d&item=360405308269&pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr
> >>
> >> In looking at the pics, it's exactly what is in the boat now so it
> >> obviously the motor is not original. The end cap of the motor has the
> >> same
> >> smooth contours as the one in the pics and vice-versa. That would
> >> explain
> >> the missing hand wheel. Out of curiosity, I checked eBay for a hand
> >> wheel
> >> and surprisingly found one. There would have to be a shaft coming out
> >> the
> >> end of the motor to attach the wheel to. If my motor were original with
> >> the hand wheel, I'd have had it rebuilt just to keep a means of manually
> >> raising or lowering the outdrive.
> >>
> >> Oh well, you make due with what you have!
> >>
> >> -Bill
> >> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> >> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> >> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:37:58 -0700
> From: d m <warriors100@...>
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> Hello;
>
> I also have been wanting to replace the OMC/Evinrude Emblems on my 67
> Sportsman. Mine are in the same shape as Tom described.
> (I also want to replace the OMC decal which is on the top of my omc stern
> drive unit because my decal is completely faded out.)
>
> My thought earlier this year was to get some modeling clay and press it over
> the red and blue flag emblems.
> Then fill in the flag impressions with something that squeezes out of a tube
> and dries hard. maybe something like a two part epoxy or gasket sealer which
> dries hard, anythin just something that dries hard.
> Then take my dremel tool and shave down the excess material and paint each
> flag accordingly.
>
> My second thought was to just replace the 3-D emblems with 2 dimensianal
> flag decals (one red and the other blue).
>
> But after reading Micahs post I think I check into that method first.
>
> Guess my final decision for which way to replace will depend on cost. (Don't
> have as full of a wallet as I had ten years ago.)
>
>
> On another note; Replacement Evinrude trailer decals are now
> available on Ebay. I purchased 2 decals last year and they were excellent
> quality replacements. I don't know about anyone else but I like to keep my
> Evinrude trailer looking good also.
>
>
> D.M.
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> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:49:27 -0700
> From: d m <warriors100@...>
> To: <omc-boats@...>
> Subject: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue)
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>
> What is the going rate for vintage Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue Color for 67
> sportsman)?
>
> Have we ever discussed this issue or resolved the shortage problem?
>
> I know of a Evinrude boat that would make a good parts boat.
> I would like to buy the whole boat for my myself,
> But the cost of the parts boat is more than I want to spend.
>
> The Rub Blue rub rail on this boat looks to be in good condition.
>
> What would someone else be willing to pay for this Blue Rub Rail?
>
>
> D.M.
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:09:50 -0500
> From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> To: d m <warriors100@...>
> Cc: omc-boats@...
> Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] (no subject)
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> I may have a source that could do the cad work and use 3d resin printer to
> make decent replicas though the surface might not be perfectly smooth - I
> will check into it but it may take awhile. If it works out they would be
> reasonable.
> On Jul 9, 2012 6:39 PM, "d m" <warriors100@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello;
> >
> > I also have been wanting to replace the OMC/Evinrude Emblems on my 67
> > Sportsman. Mine are in the same shape as Tom described.
> > (I also want to replace the OMC decal which is on the top of my omc stern
> > drive unit because my decal is completely faded out.)
> >
> > My thought earlier this year was to get some modeling clay and press it
> > over the red and blue flag emblems.
> > Then fill in the flag impressions with something that squeezes out of a
> > tube and dries hard. maybe something like a two part epoxy or gasket
> > sealer
> > which dries hard, anythin just something that dries hard.
> > Then take my dremel tool and shave down the excess material and paint each
> > flag accordingly.
> >
> > My second thought was to just replace the 3-D emblems with 2 dimensianal
> > flag decals (one red and the other blue).
> >
> > But after reading Micahs post I think I check into that method first.
> >
> > Guess my final decision for which way to replace will depend on
> > cost. (Don't have as full of a wallet as I had ten years ago.)
> >
> >
> > On another note; Replacement Evinrude trailer decals are now
> > available on Ebay. I purchased 2 decals last year and they were
> > excellent quality replacements. I don't know about anyone else but I like
> > to keep my Evinrude trailer looking good also.
> >
> >
> > D.M.
> >
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