Re: [OMC-Boats] "E" Emblems

The 3D printing process uses a Computer Assisted Drawing to lay down resin
one layer at a time, with each layer being on the order of 1/64". Two
different resins are used, one that will form the actual object and a
second that supports the objects 3D form as the layers accumulate. Once
the object is fully formed, the second resin is removed using a solution of
sodium hydroxide. The objects formed are hard and tough but may would have
evidence of the layer on some faces where the vertical contours change -
think of contour lines on a navigation chart or topo map. On an object
like the evinrude symbols they would be confined to the sides of the emblem.

I have a friend who works with the equipment and may be able to make them
for a relatively same number of people, at least initially.
On Jul 12, 2012 12:11 AM, "d m" <warriors100@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Chuck for that very interesting piece of information regarding the
> red and blue Flag Emblems. I had no idea the original manufacture was
> still in business. It would have been great to have the original
> manufacture create new Evinrude Emblems for our old Evinrude
> boats..............but guess thats not gonna happen.
> ******
> Does anyone have additional information regarding the injection molding
> process or the shapeways.com 3-d printing process for replacement Emblems?
> ****
> ****
> Today just figuring in my head, I figure an old non running Evinrude
> Sportsman parts boat (with trailer) would cost about $150.00 to 350.00
> dollars to purchase? That would mean a cost of $150.00 to $350.00 for
> approximately 40 feet of Blue rub rail insert. This is just a guess and
> the unknown costs in this guess would be where to park the additional parts
> boat, how much would it cost to park the parts boat, and what would it
> cost to get rid of the boat once parts were salvaged? When you
> combine all these cost together it starts adding up and I'm left wondering
> what would the total cost be for blue rub rail inserts? Would the cost
> be more or less then what a California supplier would charge for producing
> 500 lbs of the stuff?
> ****
> Still working toward replacement flag emblems and rub rail inserts.
>
> DM
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:23:39 -0500
> > From: cbreen5510@...
> > To: omc-boats@...
> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] "E" Emblems
> >
> > I have contacted the original manufacture of the "E" red and blue
> emblems and they no longer have the molds. Unfortunately the were lost in a
> factory fire. However they are still in business. The manufactures name is
> on the back of the emblems as an imprint. I also found a place in
> California that would manufacture the rub rail insert in blue, but it would
> have to be a special run for the color and a LARGE quantity. I believe I
> was told it was going to be at least 500 lbs. That's a lot but could be
> done. Not sure how many feet that would be.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > On 07/11/12, omc-boats-request@... wrote:
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> > 1. flag emblems (tklauber@...)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:58:51 -0400
> > From: <tklauber@...>
> > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] flag emblems
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> > I have looked at this problem off and on several years and the ideal
> would
> > be to find the original manufacturer who is probably out of business
> now. I
> > suspect they were injection molded and the dies may still be around.
> They
> > could be remade no problem - maybe costly. Then deciding the correct
> plastic
> > then how to silkscreen the correct color to the part. Infringement on
> OMC or
> > whoever property - I don't know the answer to that. Would hate to make
> 3000
> > of these and then get sued - paranoid? The final product hopefully would
> > last at least 10 years. Maybe upgrade the product - make them out of
> > aluminum like the Evinrude insignia next to it. Gotta think of the
> people
> > that will inherit the boat. That?s what makes this hobby so interesting.
> > Looked into the shapeways.com and not sure what they are doing there or
> the
> > materials they are using. Might work but would like to pursue injection
> > molding first.
> > As to the rub rail aluminum extrusion that will have to wait unless I
> get
> > lucky. Thinking of ways to refurbish what is there - a little paint and
> > buffing does a lot. Tom
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. OMC-Boats - custom plastic molding (Micah Donahue)
> > 2. Re: Tilt Motor problem conclusion (Paul Hamilton)
> > 3. Stalling from low idle (Paul Hamilton)
> > 4. Re: Tilt Motor problem conclusion (William Howk)
> > 5. (no subject) (d m)
> > 6. Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue) (d m)
> > 7. Re: (no subject) (Paul Hamilton)
> >
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:21:36 -0400
> > From: Micah Donahue <mdonahue@...>
> > To: omc-boats@...
> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] OMC-Boats - custom plastic molding
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> > Tom --
> > Re: the emblems, I would definitely try shapeways.com. You can 3D print
> > almost anything you can scan or CAD up, in a variety of "materials."
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > -Micah
> > ..................................................................
> > Micah Donahue
> > principal/contact strategy director
> > M E C H A N I C A
> > V 978-499-7871 x107
> > M 978-491-7242
> > mdonahue@...
> > LinkedIn: micahdonahue
> > ..................................................................
> > >
> > > From: <tklauber@...>
> > > Date: July 8, 2012 10:16:15 PM EDT
> > > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > > Subject: [OMC-Boats] tilt motor
> > >
> > >
> > > The tilt motor in the 69 Rogue and Sportsman is a Prestolite ETK-402.
> It
> > > is covered well in the Seloc manual. You see them cheap and often on
> ebay.
> > > Make sure you get one from a reputable seller. I have seen some good
> and
> > > bad ones one ebay. New ones can be had online for around $100 and on
> up.
> > >
> > > Anybody in the plastic molding business out there? The insignia on the
> > > boat sides are pretty much toast and I NEVER see them on ebay. You
> know
> > > what I am talking about. Those red and blue flags next to the Evinrude
> > > inscription. Mine on the Rogue and Sportsman are cracked and shriveled
> up.
> > > Wonder what it would take to get them made. They are complicated
> having a
> > > plastic base with 4 plastic prongs held in place with a clip and a
> little
> > > rubber washer. The color comes from paint or silk screen I think. Any
> body
> > > out there with any ideas on that? Also need to find an aluminum
> extruder
> > > to remanufacture the rub rails. That will be tough as they come in one
> > > piece per side meaning they would be very long and hard to ship if
> > > available. Just a wild thought. Tom
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:51:23 -0500
> > From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > To: BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt Motor problem conclusion
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> > It may have been obvious to others but I didn't remove the cowling when I
> > first made the attempt to remove the tilt motor. Virtually impossible.
> > With the cowling off, it's still tedious but reaching under the outdrive
> > and over to the bolt made it possible. I didn't have a ratcheting open
> > end wrench so I needed a third hand to help release/position the wrench
> at
> > times. I will have a ratcheting wrench when I install the rebuilt unit,
> > hopefully later this week.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM, BLDFW <bldfw@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Well..... anyone have the pleasure of "trying" to remove the tilt
> motor?
> > > That lower bolt is a killer! Will prob need to get a universal joint
> for
> > > my 1/4 ratchet to get in there!
> > >
> > > Always somethin'!
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > > Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > > 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > > http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > >
> > > *From:* BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > > *To:* OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:51 AM
> > > *Subject:* Tilt Motor problem conclusion
> > >
> > > Had a boating buddy come out to the lake yesterday to see what we could
> > > figure out on my tilt motor problem. We picked up a new Multi Meter at
> > > Lowes and set about testing all of the circuits. There was power right
> > > down to the motor plug but no action from the motor itself even when we
> > > bypassed everything running a wire direct from the battery to the plug
> > > itself. Still nothing. We came to the logical conclusion the motor just
> > > quit working. Bad timing (when is it ever good timing??). Soooo..... we
> > > missed boating on my Explorer this weekend. Bummer.
> > >
> > > I went on eBay and looked up tilt motors with the original part number
> > > (380361) and found this (one of many):
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OMC-Tilt-Trim-Motor-380361-382138-382220-1965-/360405308269?hash=item53e9d4936d&item=360405308269&pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr
> > >
> > > In looking at the pics, it's exactly what is in the boat now so it
> > > obviously the motor is not original. The end cap of the motor has the
> > > same
> > > smooth contours as the one in the pics and vice-versa. That would
> explain
> > > the missing hand wheel. Out of curiosity, I checked eBay for a hand
> wheel
> > > and surprisingly found one. There would have to be a shaft coming out
> the
> > > end of the motor to attach the wheel to. If my motor were original with
> > > the hand wheel, I'd have had it rebuilt just to keep a means of
> manually
> > > raising or lowering the outdrive.
> > >
> > > Oh well, you make due with what you have!
> > >
> > > -Bill
> > > Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > > 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > > http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:57:27 -0500
> > From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > To: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] Stalling from low idle
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> > My apologies to Lee Shuster for repeating this question from long ago,
> but
> > I never resolved the issue and have lost his response to my initial
> inquiry.
> >
> > My 66 Sportsman idles well at as low as 650 rpm or so but I have to baby
> it
> > to the 1100 - 1200 range or it will stall out. If I try to go to full
> > throttle below about 1500, it also stalls out. As I recall Lee indicated
> > this was an easy fix. Thoughts?
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:02:27 -0700
> > From: William Howk <bchowk@...>
> > To: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > Cc: OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] Tilt Motor problem conclusion
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> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > I feel your pain....cramped frustrating business getting that simple
> motor
> > swapped...but if I can do it, so can you.
> >
> > good luck!
> > B.C.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > It may have been obvious to others but I didn't remove the cowling
> when I
> > > first made the attempt to remove the tilt motor. Virtually impossible.
> > > With the cowling off, it's still tedious but reaching under the
> outdrive
> > > and over to the bolt made it possible. I didn't have a ratcheting open
> > > end wrench so I needed a third hand to help release/position the
> wrench at
> > > times. I will have a ratcheting wrench when I install the rebuilt unit,
> > > hopefully later this week.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:36 AM, BLDFW <bldfw@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well..... anyone have the pleasure of "trying" to remove the tilt
> > >> motor? That lower bolt is a killer! Will prob need to get a universal
> > >> joint for my 1/4 ratchet to get in there!
> > >>
> > >> Always somethin'!
> > >>
> > >> -Bill
> > >> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > >> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > >> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > >>
> > >> *From:* BLDFW <bldfw@...>
> > >> *To:* OMC Boats <omc-boats@...>
> > >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:51 AM
> > >> *Subject:* Tilt Motor problem conclusion
> > >>
> > >> Had a boating buddy come out to the lake yesterday to see what we
> > >> could figure out on my tilt motor problem. We picked up a new Multi
> > >> Meter
> > >> at Lowes and set about testing all of the circuits. There was power
> > >> right
> > >> down to the motor plug but no action from the motor itself even when
> we
> > >> bypassed everything running a wire direct from the battery to the plug
> > >> itself. Still nothing. We came to the logical conclusion the motor
> just
> > >> quit working. Bad timing (when is it ever good timing??). Soooo.....
> we
> > >> missed boating on my Explorer this weekend. Bummer.
> > >>
> > >> I went on eBay and looked up tilt motors with the original part number
> > >> (380361) and found this (one of many):
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OMC-Tilt-Trim-Motor-380361-382138-382220-1965-/360405308269?hash=item53e9d4936d&item=360405308269&pt=Boat_Parts_Accessories_Gear&vxp=mtr
> > >>
> > >> In looking at the pics, it's exactly what is in the boat now so it
> > >> obviously the motor is not original. The end cap of the motor has the
> > >> same
> > >> smooth contours as the one in the pics and vice-versa. That would
> > >> explain
> > >> the missing hand wheel. Out of curiosity, I checked eBay for a hand
> > >> wheel
> > >> and surprisingly found one. There would have to be a shaft coming out
> > >> the
> > >> end of the motor to attach the wheel to. If my motor were original
> with
> > >> the hand wheel, I'd have had it rebuilt just to keep a means of
> manually
> > >> raising or lowering the outdrive.
> > >>
> > >> Oh well, you make due with what you have!
> > >>
> > >> -Bill
> > >> Cedar Creek Lake, TX
> > >> 1970 Evinrude Explorer - 155 Buick V6 - OMC Sterndrive
> > >> http://www.photobucket.com/evinrude_explorer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:37:58 -0700
> > From: d m <warriors100@...>
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> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] (no subject)
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> >
> > Hello;
> >
> > I also have been wanting to replace the OMC/Evinrude Emblems on my 67
> > Sportsman. Mine are in the same shape as Tom described.
> > (I also want to replace the OMC decal which is on the top of my omc
> stern
> > drive unit because my decal is completely faded out.)
> >
> > My thought earlier this year was to get some modeling clay and press it
> over
> > the red and blue flag emblems.
> > Then fill in the flag impressions with something that squeezes out of a
> tube
> > and dries hard. maybe something like a two part epoxy or gasket sealer
> which
> > dries hard, anythin just something that dries hard.
> > Then take my dremel tool and shave down the excess material and paint
> each
> > flag accordingly.
> >
> > My second thought was to just replace the 3-D emblems with 2 dimensianal
> > flag decals (one red and the other blue).
> >
> > But after reading Micahs post I think I check into that method first.
> >
> > Guess my final decision for which way to replace will depend on cost.
> (Don't
> > have as full of a wallet as I had ten years ago.)
> >
> >
> > On another note; Replacement Evinrude trailer decals are now
> > available on Ebay. I purchased 2 decals last year and they were
> excellent
> > quality replacements. I don't know about anyone else but I like to keep
> my
> > Evinrude trailer looking good also.
> >
> >
> > D.M.
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> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:49:27 -0700
> > From: d m <warriors100@...>
> > To: <omc-boats@...>
> > Subject: [OMC-Boats] Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue)
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> >
> >
> > What is the going rate for vintage Evinrude Rub Rail (Blue Color for 67
> > sportsman)?
> >
> > Have we ever discussed this issue or resolved the shortage problem?
> >
> > I know of a Evinrude boat that would make a good parts boat.
> > I would like to buy the whole boat for my myself,
> > But the cost of the parts boat is more than I want to spend.
> >
> > The Rub Blue rub rail on this boat looks to be in good condition.
> >
> > What would someone else be willing to pay for this Blue Rub Rail?
> >
> >
> > D.M.
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 00:09:50 -0500
> > From: Paul Hamilton <prhamilt@...>
> > To: d m <warriors100@...>
> > Cc: omc-boats@...
> > Subject: Re: [OMC-Boats] (no subject)
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> > I may have a source that could do the cad work and use 3d resin printer
> to
> > make decent replicas though the surface might not be perfectly smooth - I
> > will check into it but it may take awhile. If it works out they would be
> > reasonable.
> > On Jul 9, 2012 6:39 PM, "d m" <warriors100@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello;
> > >
> > > I also have been wanting to replace the OMC/Evinrude Emblems on my 67
> > > Sportsman. Mine are in the same shape as Tom described.
> > > (I also want to replace the OMC decal which is on the top of my omc
> stern
> > > drive unit because my decal is completely faded out.)
> > >
> > > My thought earlier this year was to get some modeling clay and press it
> > > over the red and blue flag emblems.
> > > Then fill in the flag impressions with something that squeezes out of a
> > > tube and dries hard. maybe something like a two part epoxy or gasket
> > > sealer
> > > which dries hard, anythin just something that dries hard.
> > > Then take my dremel tool and shave down the excess material and paint
> each
> > > flag accordingly.
> > >
> > > My second thought was to just replace the 3-D emblems with 2
> dimensianal
> > > flag decals (one red and the other blue).
> > >
> > > But after reading Micahs post I think I check into that method first.
> > >
> > > Guess my final decision for which way to replace will depend on
> > > cost. (Don't have as full of a wallet as I had ten years ago.)
> > >
> > >
> > > On another note; Replacement Evinrude trailer decals are now
> > > available on Ebay. I purchased 2 decals last year and they were
> > > excellent quality replacements. I don't know about anyone else but I
> like
> > > to keep my Evinrude trailer looking good also.
> > >
> > >
> > > D.M.
> > >
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