Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:55:57 -0400
Greg: Seems to me my impeller is brass. I have the Buick 155 Hp V6 in my 1967 Reveler and as I recall, the pump has a an as-cast inner housing (i.e. rough surface) that requires a clearance fit. I have a spare pump as well as my old, leaking pump at the lake I can check if you want to know for sure, but I won't be up there until this weekend, possibly the next.
Andy
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From: Gregory B. Fell
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:45 PM
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Since I won’t be boating anytime soon, I guess I’m inclined buy the impeller, tear it down, and if the housing or plate is damaged, order those items then. Does the following look like the right part (1969 Sportsman 155)? Thanks.
Part Type / Number
Description
List Price
Your Price
Order
18-3086
Replaces OEM # (0777130)
Impeller
18-3086 Impeller OMC 379475
$29.29
$23.43
6 in stock
Parts shipped to US, Puerto Rico and Canada only. Manuals shipped Internationally.
Additional information about this part can be found on page 718 of the 2006 Sierra Marine catalog.
Sierra Marine is the market leader for aftermarket marine engine parts. Sierra products cover every major engine brand and are distributed worldwide. Sierra offers a comprehensive product line and an unsurpassed customer satisfaction warranty covering parts and labor.
Gregory B. Fell
The Fell Law Firm
3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
Dallas, Texas 75219
972-488-8177
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From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...] On Behalf Of Glenn comcast
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:06 PM
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Dave,
http://glmmarine.com/ still manufactures manifolds for the old engines also many other parts including impellers. They don't sell to the public but if you go to their web site you can order for free a very nice 600 page catalogue along with a 100 page manifold supplement. They have literally 1000's of cross reference's their part number to OMC, Johnson and Evinrude. You look at their whole catalogue online but it's in PDF and not very user friendly. Almost any on-line store I've purchased from the part comes in a GLMMarine bag or box. I've seen the same part in one store for $99 and in another for $49. The deals are out there if you look for them.
What I do is look up the part number I need in the catalogue then google it.
Glenn
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From: David
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:46 PM
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UGH! I hate it when that happens! good luck! Dave
Glenn comcast wrote:
I'll have to spend some time looking, my hard drive crashed and I lost my favorites list last month. Even though I back up to a second hard drive I lost my manufactures list and over 3000 email addresses.
go2marine.com and iboats.com seem to come to mind.
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From: David
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:16 AM
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Hey Glenn!
Wow, yeah, at $50 I would agree - where did you find that deal? Dave
Glenn comcast wrote:
Dave,
For what it costs I can't imagine tearing the drive down and not changing all three items. I did one this summer total for parts all in one kit was under $50.
Glenn
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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:33 PM
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Jeff,
I have never had to replace the housing - the cover plate, or ware plate does get grooved up and some say the water can pass back through he grooves - but I have had some super worn ones and never had a problem - I have not done one in a number of years now so I can't remember if it was on my OMC or some junky mercruiser drives I had - but on one of them I was able to just turn the plate over so the grooved part was outside and a nice smooth surface against the impeller. Dave
jdood wrote:
Hi Gregory!
Often the ball gears are low enough to pick up water and kick it into the air through that gap - not a big deal - also, a few models had the spray hole on the inside by the ball gears and that could be where the water is coming from if the boat is not low in the water - but the usual steam hole is on the bottom of the starboard pinion cover. Replacing the impeller is not a difficult job - and I would say one rarely has to replace the housing - sometimes the cover plate gets badly worn and should be replaced, but even that is not very often - and you may find that the impeller is fine - not cracking or chewed up anywhere - in which case I would leave well enough alone - or put in a new one and keep the old as a spare. I am sure if by chance you do need new parts some one in the group will have the numbers for you – Dave
On mine, the impellor was literally in pieces. All the flappers had broken and the broken pieces were spinning around in the housing with it. the “expert” I took it to said the slightest surface damage on the inside of the housing can cause the rubber to deteriorate fast on the new impellor….it seemed to make sense, but who knows…..i could’ve been scammed a bit.
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I haven’t had my 69 Sportsman 155 out this entire summer. Busy at work and a lake down 14 ft (Texas drought) to blame. Now with the cooler fall weather upon me, I’d like to do a few things in my driveway. This discussion regarding the tell-tale stream of water raises a question of my own.
1. Near the end of the season last year, I noticed, while at idle, water was spraying up from the stern drive onto the engine cover. I didn’t have time to do much more than lay over the back and try to see where it was coming from. It appeared to be coming from a location near the ball gears and spraying (not a stream) up through the gap. Any ideas?
2. I’d like to replace the impeller this winter. I believe the general consensus this summer has been to replace the housing as well. I’ve purchased the Selog manual and am ready to go. What I would appreciate (for my own peace of mind) is advice regarding the correct part numbers and where you would recommend I purchase them.
Thanks.
Gregory B. Fell
The Fell Law Firm
3300 Oak Lawn Avenue, Suite 700
Dallas, Texas 75219
972-488-8177
214-219-4218 - fax
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From: owner-omc-boats@... [mailto:owner-omc-boats@...] On Behalf Of jdood
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:37 PM
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Jeff, my advise to you is to ask any mechanic you propose to use if there is a water stream out of the sterndrive - if they say no - run away from them as fast and as far as you can!
Yeah, agreed. But this guy seems legit, has a big shop, boats only, OMC certified, etc.
Second, always feel the exhaust manifolds - if water is circulating they will be warm, not hot - and you are ok - if hot, you are not ok.
That is one I will definitely try…..
As to the power loss - the first thing to check is the compression - if any cylinder is low, say less than 120 psi, you could well have a cracked head - the most common crack is between the intake and exhaust valves which are very close together and the crack is usually very thin and hard to see - usually with this type of crack the engine will run fine when cold and then lose power as soon as it heats up - so it is best to check compression when it is hot. Dave
And if it’s a cracked head, that spells new engine, right? Not fixable, right? (gulp).
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Ideal timing for this topic. I am dealing with my hot light coming on frequently. I have a 155hp Deluxe. I am on my 2nd mechanic now, problem still not solved. Going for a water test tomorrow with him. Just paid a bundle to have a new impeller and impeller housing replaced, and it definitely needed to be done. I just didn’t want to attempt it myself – not still during the season atleast. So now I have a nice new impeller, and supposedly a new engine water pump too (according to the 1st mechanic). So in theory, water should be flowing through the engine just fine. But the hot light still is coming on, and worse, I have barely any HP at full throttle. It tops out at about 10 mph. Not good, I know. For some stupid reason, the temp light was wired by some previous owner so It only comes on when the instrument lights are turned on. And of course I only discovered that after several times out. Most of those times it ran great, just wouldn’t start back up when hot. But the past 3 times it has had this throttle problem. I am just hoping nothing has been serious damaged. Anyway – will hopefully know more tomorrow after the water test. But my main question is this:
I have always had outboards, all of which had a nice easy to see tell tale stream of water shooting out the side when things were working right. I asked 2 boat mechanics on separate occasions if stern drives were supposed to have the same thing, both said no – that outboards do, but i/o’s don’t. But this post says otherwise. So do they or don’t they? And if not, why not? How are you supposed to tell if water is circulating properly?
jeff
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Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:20 PM
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Curt,
If the temp light is on the first thing to check is the stern drive while it is running - on the starboard side of the drive you should see a steady stream of water shooting out - if not shut her down - that would mean the impeller is not pumping at all. Next, if water is coming out open the engine cover and feel the exhaust manifolds - they should be cool enough to hold your hand on - if not and they feel really hot when the light is on, then shut her down - it would likely be the engine water pump, or the thermostat that needs attention. As to wintering, and I know people will flip at this, but I have seven OMC's and have had them for years and have always just opened the petcocks on each side of the block - never bothered taking off the water pump hoses etc. - just make sure the boat is realatively level and the block will drain down and you will not have any freezing problems. I keep an OMC V6 Sportsman on the davits on the back of my houseboat - and I have used it at 10 below zero - when I lift it back out of the water all I do is open those two petcocks - the only real problem I have is remembering to close them when I go for a ride - of course eventually warm water will creep up to my feet - a sure, but gentle reminder! Dave
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Group,I am a relatively new owner. I have a Sportsman 155 acquired in a cabinpurchase. Its in terrific condition. I'll post pics on the other sitesometime soon.. I have a relatively basic question. The temp light goes onafter a few minutes in the water. Do I need to replace the water pump andif so, do I need to know anything special to accomplish that. Where do Iget parts? Also, I need to winterize it soon. Could anyone give me somepointers there too?Much appreciated,Curt On 9/13/06 2:35 PM, "Curt Broek" <cabroek@...> wrote: David, Here are my vitals: Curt Broek 3941 Greenview Dr.Urbandale, IAcabroek@...'68 Sportsman 155(in Hackensack, MN) I have had trouble getting emails to be sent when I reply. Let me know ifyou get this.Curt On 9/13/06 9:10 AM, "David" <odin@...> wrote: Ok, as all the members on the membership listing know, I have sent outan updated listing - but only to the listed members - if anyone outthere has not gotten a listing, and should have, let me know - Also, ifanyone out there has not sent me all the info to get on the list, I amready to add anyone at anytime - just let me know the following: Name:Address:Telephone #:Email Address:OMC Boats owned: And I'll get you on the list and get a copy of the list back to you. Dave-----To get off this list send mail to omc-boats-unsubscribe@... -----To get off this list send mail to omc-boats-unsubscribe@... -----To get off this list send mail to omc-boats-unsubscribe@... --
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